Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts

SmootSmack · 04-28-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

philly was solid... miami probably did the best (got three safe picks at the 3 hardest positions to fill - #1 DE, #1 QB, #1 LT, though henne might only be a good starter and not a great one), and the jaguars got two great pass rushers.

i think carolina and the vikes would be towards the bottom of the list. carolina's draft was pretty ugly. cinncy also drafted 3 wrs while CJ and who'syourmama are still on the team, though that is a bit of a situation. didn't really like houston or oakland that much either. mcfadden is good, but he has the reggie-i-can't-break-tackles-bush syndrome.

CJ totally called it a couple of months ago when he said, and I'm slightyly paraphrasing "We need help on defense. But we'll probably take wide receivers."

Cowboys were set on Felix Jones for weeks, clearly not expecting Rashard Mendenhall to be there. But when he was they should have taken him. Mistake taking Jones over Mendenhall.

SouperMeister · 04-28-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Meyo was a mid 25 pick pretty obviously. No one else jumped at LBs until later. Strange because the Pats usually are good value dafters and that works well because they don't normally have holes to fill. I know they needed to get younger on D but Meyo was just an obvious reach. I think unfortunately for them though this draft was short on high end help in the back 7 where they are damn old.

I wouldn't be surprised if Belicheat was hoping to get either Derrick Harvey or Keith Rivers when they traded down from 7 to 10. Harvey and Rivers went 8 and 9, and Mayo was certainly a reach after that at 10.

Without question, KC had the best draft. We were among the top 5-10 IMO, but let's see how many of the day 2 guys stick before giving a final grade.

SmootSmack · 04-28-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

philly was solid... miami probably did the best (got three safe picks at the 3 hardest positions to fill - #1 DE, #1 QB, #1 LT, though henne might only be a good starter and not a great one), and the jaguars got two great pass rushers.

i think carolina and the vikes would be towards the bottom of the list. carolina's draft was pretty ugly. cinncy also drafted 3 wrs while CJ and who'syourmama are still on the team, though that is a bit of a situation. didn't really like houston or oakland that much either. mcfadden is good, but he has the reggie-i-can't-break-tackles-bush syndrome.

Oh, and Cincy once again went for the low-risk, quality guys

The Enquirer - Round 5: DT Shirley a 'risk'

SouperMeister · 04-28-2008, 01:22 AM

Giving it some thought, Tennessee probably had the worst draft. How do they not grab a top WR to help a struggling passing attack and Vince Young?

GMScud · 04-28-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh, and Cincy once again went for the low-risk, quality guys

The Enquirer - Round 5: DT Shirley a 'risk'

Unbelievable. Boy is Cincy dumb. I know they wanted a WR, but Jerome Simpson? He's got potential but it's a bad pick given how badly they need help on D, not to mention Sweed, Kelly, and Deshean Jackson were all still available.

Tennessee passing on all the available wideouts to reach for the East Carolina running back (Chris Johnson) was bad. They have one of the weakest receiving corps in the league. When you draft a QB as high as they did Vince Young, you should at least give the guy a chance with some weapons. Not to mention they used their last two second round picks the past two drafts on RBs Lendale White and Chris Henry. So I don't get this move at all.

GTripp0012 · 04-28-2008, 01:57 AM

Tennessee is alright at receiver, although they value Justin Gage way too much. They need more depth there, but if Brandon Jones can stay healthy, he can be the no. 2. Roydell Williams is quietly developing into a top NFL receiver, he's already a nice vertical threat.

It's only "quietly", because VY is a big fan of the bounce pass.

Still a poor draft though...Chris Johnson probably wasn't a day one guy. Jason Jones is a risk coming from EMU. Craig Stevens is a good player, but Tennessee signed 2 TEs this offseason, and it wasn't even a need going in. Horrible draft.

ecupirate08 · 04-28-2008, 04:29 AM

Tennessee drafting Chris Johnson could prove to be a good gamble. After watching him for 4 years most of his big plays were from the slot. His first 2 years of college he was a slot player only. And even when he was the full time RB he had to catch alot out of the backfield because of the spread offense we run. I see them using him like NO uses bush... imagine all the problems they could create for defenses.... but of course I'm very biased here

SeanTaylor21 · 04-28-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ecupirate08

Tennessee drafting Chris Johnson could prove to be a good gamble. After watching him for 4 years most of his big plays were from the slot. His first 2 years of college he was a slot player only. And even when he was the full time RB he had to catch alot out of the backfield because of the spread offense we run. I see them using him like NO uses bush... imagine all the problems they could create for defenses.... but of course I'm very biased here

Maybe Vince Young might start throwing the ball.

JoeRedskin · 04-28-2008, 09:39 AM

Best, at this point, would have to be KC - I think that's pretty undisputed (they may get 3 or 4 starters out of this draft class. That's pretty amazing).

I'll go with Miami as number two - they seemed to address some needs and didn't really reach for anybody big or mortgage the ranch to get anyone. Long solid first pick with Mehrling and Henne solid picks at real good value.

Not sure who else to put up here.

As for losers: Cinci: You don't need WR's, you need DEFENSE; Carolina: Otah will probably be good but not next year's first round good (didn't Carolina give up almost the same for a guy most likely suited to be RT that we gave up for a, hopefully, franchise QB? As I recall, we got some real bad reviews for our move).

As for the Skins, I think they had a good draft - but it's the kind of draft that will take some time to evaluate (unless Thomas or Kelly comes in and tears it up which I do not expect). It's the kind of draft that, if done consistently, can build a long term winner. Take a lot of shots in the lottery in hopes of picking one of the few winning tickets. Also liked that they consistently stuck to their board (Boswell can crucify them, but other than WR this was a team with need for depth not starters). Don't think they reached for anyone and managed to pick up move up, down and around without mortgaging the future.

BTW - I hate that term, "value pick". I recognize it as a necessary term in evaluating picks whether a FO made good use of getting a highly rated player lower than expected. With that said, if anyone had picked Tom Brady in the 2nd or 3rd round they would've been condemned for not getting "value" out of the pick. Same with, Marques Colston. The question of whether you got value for the pick, however, will be three years down the road and more tied to you scouting than to your drafting.

Just to be clear and, hopefully to avoid unneccessary criticism of this rant - I recognize the purpose of the term and agree it has some value (no pun intended) in evaluating the competence of a FO. I just suggest it has minimal or no value in evaluating a team's scouting abilities and, in fact, may be both dismissive of and conter-productive to that ability.

XXVI · 04-28-2008, 11:12 AM

I love the fact we got the #1 and #2 WR's in the draft. However, I do not like that we didn't get a stud DE. The OL we got I think is going to be a starter. The CB will be cut before training camp is over. I am REALLY impressed for us going after Colt Brennan. A+ on that. He is a good QB, and with Zorn, he's going to be around after Campbell. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe he gives Campbell a run for his money after a couple of seasons learning under Zorny. We might can trade one of our stud WR's for a good DB or something, I dunno. Only time will tell.

GTripp0012 · 04-28-2008, 11:13 AM

In Cincinnati's defense, they did spend the last two first rounders on Corners, a position that takes time to develop.

Perhaps they feel that Pat Sims and Keith Rivers are the final two pieces to their pass D puzzle?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-28-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21

Maybe Vince Young might start throwing the ball.

Because TEN picked up so many wideouts? His only true receiving threat is a tight end.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-28-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Tennessee is alright at receiver, although they value Justin Gage way too much. They need more depth there, but if Brandon Jones can stay healthy, he can be the no. 2. Roydell Williams is quietly developing into a top NFL receiver, he's already a nice vertical threat.

I don't know. Justin Gage was cut just 2 years back (and not due to age, health, or cap concerns) and suddenly he's a #1? I think they have given VY about 1 threat that may scare defenses and he's a tight end.

GTripp0012 · 04-28-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I don't know. Justin Gage was cut just 2 years back (and not due to age, health, or cap concerns) and suddenly he's a #1? I think they have given VY about 1 threat that may scare defenses and he's a tight end.

I do think Gage needs to be benched/cut, but that's a coaching thing. The Titans have plenty of decent receivers, and one pretty darn good receiver (Roydell Williams). That's more than a lot of teams can say. Philadelphia, for one. And of course, having Alge Crumpler as the No. 2 makes everyone's job easier.

Vince should improve this year, but his receivers are no excuse if he does not.

skinsfan69 · 04-28-2008, 12:16 PM

Some teams just have no clue. What was Balt. thinking taking Flacco that high? Big arm but no mobility. That was a bad pick. Carolina also screwed up by taking another rb in Stewart when they need a QB. And giving up all those picks to take the left tackle. Just makes no sense to me.

I think Miami has had the best off-season of anybody. I love what Parcells is doing down there. They build along the lines first and IMO that's the best way to go. Also Chad Henne is way underrated and IMO will be a better pro than Flacco.

04-28-2008, 01:22 AM	#19
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts Giving it some thought, Tennessee probably had the worst draft. How do they not grab a top WR to help a struggling passing attack and Vince Young?

04-28-2008, 01:57 AM	#21
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts Tennessee is alright at receiver, although they value Justin Gage way too much. They need more depth there, but if Brandon Jones can stay healthy, he can be the no. 2. Roydell Williams is quietly developing into a top NFL receiver, he's already a nice vertical threat. It's only "quietly", because VY is a big fan of the bounce pass. Still a poor draft though...Chris Johnson probably wasn't a day one guy. Jason Jones is a risk coming from EMU. Craig Stevens is a good player, but Tennessee signed 2 TEs this offseason, and it wasn't even a need going in. Horrible draft. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-28-2008, 04:29 AM	#22
ecupirate08 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 25	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts Tennessee drafting Chris Johnson could prove to be a good gamble. After watching him for 4 years most of his big plays were from the slot. His first 2 years of college he was a slot player only. And even when he was the full time RB he had to catch alot out of the backfield because of the spread offense we run. I see them using him like NO uses bush... imagine all the problems they could create for defenses.... but of course I'm very biased here

04-28-2008, 09:39 AM	#24
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts Best, at this point, would have to be KC - I think that's pretty undisputed (they may get 3 or 4 starters out of this draft class. That's pretty amazing). I'll go with Miami as number two - they seemed to address some needs and didn't really reach for anybody big or mortgage the ranch to get anyone. Long solid first pick with Mehrling and Henne solid picks at real good value. Not sure who else to put up here. As for losers: Cinci: You don't need WR's, you need DEFENSE; Carolina: Otah will probably be good but not next year's first round good (didn't Carolina give up almost the same for a guy most likely suited to be RT that we gave up for a, hopefully, franchise QB? As I recall, we got some real bad reviews for our move). As for the Skins, I think they had a good draft - but it's the kind of draft that will take some time to evaluate (unless Thomas or Kelly comes in and tears it up which I do not expect). It's the kind of draft that, if done consistently, can build a long term winner. Take a lot of shots in the lottery in hopes of picking one of the few winning tickets. Also liked that they consistently stuck to their board (Boswell can crucify them, but other than WR this was a team with need for depth not starters). Don't think they reached for anyone and managed to pick up move up, down and around without mortgaging the future. BTW - I hate that term, "value pick". I recognize it as a necessary term in evaluating picks whether a FO made good use of getting a highly rated player lower than expected. With that said, if anyone had picked Tom Brady in the 2nd or 3rd round they would've been condemned for not getting "value" out of the pick. Same with, Marques Colston. The question of whether you got value for the pick, however, will be three years down the road and more tied to you scouting than to your drafting. Just to be clear and, hopefully to avoid unneccessary criticism of this rant - I recognize the purpose of the term and agree it has some value (no pun intended) in evaluating the competence of a FO. I just suggest it has minimal or no value in evaluating a team's scouting abilities and, in fact, may be both dismissive of and conter-productive to that ability. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

04-28-2008, 11:12 AM	#25
XXVI Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Just win baby Posts: 140	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts I love the fact we got the #1 and #2 WR's in the draft. However, I do not like that we didn't get a stud DE. The OL we got I think is going to be a starter. The CB will be cut before training camp is over. I am REALLY impressed for us going after Colt Brennan. A+ on that. He is a good QB, and with Zorn, he's going to be around after Campbell. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe he gives Campbell a run for his money after a couple of seasons learning under Zorny. We might can trade one of our stud WR's for a good DB or something, I dunno. Only time will tell. __________________ He's super smart, and plays his guts out.

04-28-2008, 11:13 AM	#26
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts In Cincinnati's defense, they did spend the last two first rounders on Corners, a position that takes time to develop. Perhaps they feel that Pat Sims and Keith Rivers are the final two pieces to their pass D puzzle? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-28-2008, 12:16 PM	#30
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: Teams with the Best and Worst Drafts Some teams just have no clue. What was Balt. thinking taking Flacco that high? Big arm but no mobility. That was a bad pick. Carolina also screwed up by taking another rb in Stewart when they need a QB. And giving up all those picks to take the left tackle. Just makes no sense to me. I think Miami has had the best off-season of anybody. I love what Parcells is doing down there. They build along the lines first and IMO that's the best way to go. Also Chad Henne is way underrated and IMO will be a better pro than Flacco.

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