Sunra To Gibbs: Turn Jason Campbell Loose!

[backrow]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

As someone just noted, the drops are what hurt us that game, not the play calls.

I see it the other way around - pass to set up the run. This o line cannot block well in the run game.

Freddg12 is right on! Pass to set up the run. If two O-Line starters go down on any NFL team, they would give up their helmets for a 4-2 record at this point in the season. That doesn't mean Al Saunders gives up on the run at any time during the game, however.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Bdilla

I do believe if we don't get our running game going hard early that this game will be a domination. Establish the run then release Jason with the play action in the second half if needed. We are a running team. That's the only way we have a chance.

We've got no running game, and the sooner we all accept that, the better off we'll be. We're 24th in the leauge per attempt, which is no fluke. Without Jansen and Thomas to run behind, Betts and Portis become average RB's at best. How often do you see either them beat the opposing LB's on the outside? Sure, Portis could do that with ease 4 years ago, but to say he's lost a step would be putting it nicely. At this point, our best bet is to split running time between Portis and Sellers just enough to keep the passing game from getting too predictable. Gibbs' philosophy is run first, but this line ain't the Hogs, and Portis is no Riggo. We have to pass.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Bdilla

he threw 37 times against the Pack and look how that turned out for us...

I do believe if we don't get our running game going hard early that this game will be a domination. Establish the run then release Jason with the play action in the second half if needed. We are a running team. That's the only way we have a chance.

What an eye-opening argument. We passed for 217 yds against the Pack and ran for 94 yd, averaging around 3 yds a carry as opposed to almost twice that per pass. Quite obviously, we're a running team and should stick to that.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

If that happens, they will have to add another scoreboard to get NE's score to fit.

You're right. We should kill as much time as possible on the ground. We should run wide but never out of bounds, which stops the clock. I suggest we go into the single wing so snaps can go directly back to the tailback, and then after the play we can drag back to the huddle as slowly as possible. Someone responsible should wear a watch so we will be able to avoid snapping the ball untill the last second. Instead of faking injuries to stop the clock, we should fake health when injured. No penalties, passes, or field goal attempts. They stop the clock. Most of all, don't pass.

It's better to lose by three or four touchdowns than get blown out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

The time has come to release the BEAST OF THE EAST. The fans are ready and the city is ready to see a consistent performance by the offense with Jason Campbell at the helm. But not the way we have witnessed in the last third and fourth quarters. Make all of the excuses you want, this man needs to make at least 40 attempts against the Patriots. It seems the more Campbell throws, the less INT's he has. No more conservative playcalling and depending on the defense to bail us out. Rather, stay agressive and in attack mode via 1991. It's time for some action!

If JC throws it 40 times it's going to be a long day for us. We are just not that type of offense yet. We just need to be more aggresssive than last week. But not too aggressive.

[davy]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

You're right. We should kill as much time as possible on the ground. We should run wide but never out of bounds, which stops the clock. I suggest we go into the single wing so snaps can go directly back to the tailback, and then after the play we can drag back to the huddle as slowly as possible. Someone responsible should wear a watch so we will be able to avoid snapping the ball untill the last second. Instead of faking injuries to stop the clock, we should fake health when injured. No penalties, passes, or field goal attempts. They stop the clock. Most of all, don't pass.

It's better to lose by three or four touchdowns than get blown out.

Words fail me. :confused:

[Daseal]

JoeRedskin -- I must say I disagree. I want a shootout. That would assume we can actually score points, unfortunately this isn't the case once the 2nd half hits. If we want to beat NE, we have to score. We have a defense that will be able to hold NE a bit, but we can't rely on them to win the game. We need to score points. I feel we'll have an easier time passing with a quick passing game rather than pounding our heads into a wall with a beatup line and running it.

I'm not saying abandon the run, we need to run some -- but we need to make the conversion to what most teams in the NFL do now. Throw to setup the run. I want to see quick drops and passes by Campbell. Don't give their pass rush time to get there. 3 steps, ball out. Hit that, run the ball, high percentage passes. If we hit on our haunches and run a ton -- we'll get so far behind coming back is futile.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

2. Pass to set up the run? I never understood this. IMO, the main reason for running to set up the pass is: if your runs are not successful (i.e.: 1-2 yards/att), that still works to get the defense in the box. If you are not successful passing (i.e.: a bunch of incompletions), that doesn't help set up the run very well. You have to be successful passing to set up the run. You don't necessarily need to be successful running to set up the pass. IMO.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

2. Pass to set up the run? I never understood this. IMO, the main reason for running to set up the pass is: if your runs are not successful (i.e.: 1-2 yards/att), that still works to get the defense in the box. If you are not successful passing (i.e.: a bunch of incompletions), that doesn't help set up the run very well. You have to be successful passing to set up the run. You don't necessarily need to be successful running to set up the pass. IMO.

Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

Given the red light to make plays? Why does that not sound right?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

Who's been playing us 8 in the box?

In fact, when was the last game going back through the Gibbs-era that we saw consistently 8 in the box.

It's never happened.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

Because the Quarterback can take on the responsibility of the offensive line in the passing game. A good QB (like Campbell) always knows how much time he has to get rid of the football.

Now if people start missing their protections and someone comes free, the QB can't really do anything except get rid of the ball. But even with an untalented offensive line, a passing offense can still be successful if the QB does an outstanding job.

Truth is that a QB is more likely to make a mistake when you get pressure on him, so you want to cut down on the passing game with no line, but it makes more sense than running behind no one. Admittedly, this is very very hard for a young QB to do, and still be successful, but most veterans don't seem to have a problem with it.

[70Chip]

The Redskins need to run out of passing formations and pass out of running formations.

Also Jason is getting a little Brunellish with holding the ball. We need to play loose and let it fly. No one expects us to win anyway. Go for it on 4th and 5 from midfield. Don't just go for it, throw it in the endzone. It's like the George Costanza thing. Do the opposite.

[skinsWill]

I would love to see some draws and screens to Big Mike, he could be our mvp this game, lots of those quick hitters to the left side. We are a running team everyone knows that joe gibbs style, but we cant be this game, we need to be unpredictable i say give big mike 15-20 touches limit portis and betts carries and let Mike beat them up on the inside to keep them honest, and make them tired. This game (if we want to win) we must be able run the ball. We do not want to get into a shootout w/ NE

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Who's been playing us 8 in the box?

In fact, when was the last game going back through the Gibbs-era that we saw consistently 8 in the box.

It's never happened.

If the Giants and Packers didn't have 8 in the box, they sure as hell played like they did. Moreover, they definitely beat us by shutting down the run. Either way, we have no running game if Portis is getting most of the reps.