JLC Rant/Rip on Playcalling

[redsk1]

We had done exactly nothing in the run game all day long. I don't think we needed to continue to go 3 and out in the fourth. So, i gotta disagree w/ JLC.

Now, i do agree w/ him on JC. He should start putting up some #'s and be more comfortable managing the game in our 2 minute offense. Right now he's not. He's a 3rd year player w/ about 10 games played. Has he had a 300 yard day? A 3 TD day yet? Yeah, i know, what alot of you are going to say...He makes some great passes and he's young. True, but i remember hearing that about Patrick Ramsey too.

Bottom line JC has got to start showing improvement and scoring some points. He's got to start showing some signs for us to bank on him being the answer.

We have the talent there is no excuse for this team.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I read somewhere that the Giants converted something like seven 3rd downs in the second half, and all but one was 3rd and 5 or longer.

When you are leading 17-3 at halftime, coaching is easy. You rely on your defense, and you run clock. The coaches did just that. The defense let us down this time.

Bottom line: our defense lost this game for us. Plain and simple.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I read somewhere that the Giants converted something like seven 3rd downs in the second half, and all but one was 3rd and 5 or longer.

When you are leading 17-3 at halftime, coaching is easy. You rely on your defense, and you run clock. The coaches did just that. The defense let us down this time.

Bottom line: our defense lost this game for us. Plain and simple.

I couldn't disagree more. Our offense couldn't get a first down if their life depended on it in the 2nd half. Like Rock Cartwright said after the game, "If you can't give your defense a minute to rest, something is eventually gonna break." That's exactly what happened. We moved the ball well in the first half and the D had little problem stopping the Giants, getting pressure on Eli, and forcing turnovers.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I couldn't disagree more. Our offense couldn't get a first down if their life depended on it in the 2nd half. Like Rock Cartwright said after the game, "If you can't give your defense a minute to rest, something is eventually gonna break." That's exactly what happened. We moved the ball well in the first half and the D had little problem stopping the Giants, getting pressure on Eli, and forcing turnovers.

So you would blame the terrible 3rd down defense on the offense's failure to move the ball in the second half? Is the defense in any way responsible for giving up so many 3rd down conversions?

I blame the loss on the 3rd down conversions. We had them in 3rd and long several times, and we couldn't stop them. I blame defense for the inability to stop the Giants on 3rd down. Therefore, I blame the loss on the defense.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

So you would blame the terrible 3rd down defense on the offense's failure to move the ball in the second half? Is the defense in any way responsible for giving up so many 3rd down conversions?

I blame the loss on the 3rd down conversions. We had them in 3rd and long several times, and we couldn't stop them. I blame defense for the inability to stop the Giants on 3rd down. Therefore, I blame the loss on the defense.

How was the 3rd down defense in the first half when the offense was actually moving the ball and spelling the D? Exactly. The D was on the field for 21+ minutes in the second half. Unacceptable. The D has been great on 3rd down for 10 outta 12 quarters this year. Our offense is mediocre at best, averaging 17.7pts a game. We had 82 rushing yards in this one. But sure, it was the defense's fault.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GMScud

How was the 3rd down defense in the first half when the offense was actually moving the ball and spelling the D? Exactly. The D was on the field for 21+ minutes in the second half. Unacceptable. The D has been great on 3rd down for 10 outta 12 quarters this year. Our offense is mediocre at best, averaging 17.7pts a game. We had 82 rushing yards in this one. But sure, it was the defense's fault.

I know what you mean, and I agree that our offense should share some of the blame. However, defense HAS to make stops on 3rd and long. I am of the opinion that there are NO legitimate excuses for giving up 3rd and long -- ever.

Also, I think that 4 offensive plays are enough time for the defense to rest. Any more than that is just gravy. I think the defense was tired because they couldn't make stops on 3rd and long, and the Giants were able to sustain long drives -- not because the offense was stale.

To say that the defense couldn't do their job because they need more than 4 offensive plays to rest is a poor excuse. Imagine Greg Williams saying, "Well we sucked on defense, but it's not their fault. We simply can't play good defense after 3 and outs, and that is just the way it goes. Anytime we go 3 and out, expect to give up a score."

[itvnetop]

I think JLC may be right. We should be calling more runs- but after this game, it's obvious that the run calling may not fit the current personnel. Losing Thomas meant less effective pulling. I saw some positive things with the misdirection pitch-outs in the first half.

[warriorzpath]

The game went downhill for the redskins in the second half for 3 reasons -
(1) Campbell lost his rhythm (and only got it back in the final series)
(2) The Giants came out after the half and concentrated on stuffing the run. After taking away the Redskins running game, they started to focus on getting to Jason Campbell.
(3) The Giants offense gained rhythm (probably because they often were able to get the ball back quickly after the Redskins offense sputtered, see#1)

[FRPLG]

I'd say his logic behind "40 is the magic number " is faulty. The reason we didn't get to 40 was because they were loaded up for our short game so we basically produced nothing and thus had less offensive plays. The 40 rushes is ideal when taken in context as a function of our total plays. We'd have ended up with 40 if we would have stretched the field a bit I think and kept the ball more.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'd say his logic behind "40 is the magic number " is faulty. The reason we didn't get to 40 was because they were loaded up for our short game so we basically produced nothing and thus had less offensive plays. The 40 rushes is ideal when taken in context as a function of our total plays. We'd have ended up with 40 if we would have stretched the field a bit I think and kept the ball more.

Totally agree. When he said 40, I stopped reading the article.

The number of rushes, as with the number of pass attempts, have to be taken into consideration.

[T.O.Killa]

I am sick of JLC ripping into Joe Gibbs. If he had made the sweep he would have been a genious. The only problem I have is the fact they threww away a down. Hopefully they work on clock management.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am sick of JLC ripping into Joe Gibbs. If he had made the sweep he would have been a genious. The only problem I have is the fact they threww away a down. Hopefully they work on clock management.

If If If If If...theres a lot of If's...but not too many Did's that went right in that second half...when guys deserved to get ripped, they should. Joe isnt the only guy who deserves blame, thats for sure, but I think he's a peice to that puzzle.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

If If If If If...theres a lot of If's...but not too many Did's that went right in that second half...when guys deserved to get ripped, they should. Joe isnt the only guy who deserves blame, thats for sure, but I think he's a peice to that puzzle.

I'll second this.

[skinsguy]

I'm ready to stop worrying about why we lost this game. we lost it. Accept it and move on. At least we're 2-1. We could be 0-3 right now. We have some games coming up after the bye that could be very winnable games for us (no not counting the NE game.) Hopefully we will be healthy and refreshed and ready to go. It's a long season yet ahead of us. A lot of chances for us to make this a great season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm ready to stop worrying about why we lost this game. we lost it. Accept it and move on. At least we're 2-1. We could be 0-3 right now. We have some games coming up after the bye that could be very winnable games for us (no not counting the NE game.) Hopefully we will be healthy and refreshed and ready to go. It's a long season yet ahead of us. A lot of chances for us to make this a great season.

Why can't we beat NE? I mean, it's going to be very, very tough. But the consensus seemed to be we wouldn't lose to the Giants but we did. So why can't the opposite happen?