Is Kurt Warner back?

[skinsfan_nn]

Kurt warner is only back until he gets hit one good time, then hes back where he belongs, on the bench.

Or better yet his time has come and gone as a legit NFL QB, retirement home.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Young really impressed me on Monday night.

He just gets it done, and as the announcers were saying he outperforms his numbers.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.

He's really improved as a QB from last year to this year

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.

Hyped? Absolutely! Overrated? No way! The Titans would be complete shit without him. He makes things happen for them and that's all that matters. Plus, if I'm not mistaken he practically won a national championship all by himself against USC.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.

Hmmm...let us see, you are talking about a lot of numbers here when you forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT number of them all, who won more games? I can care less what the QB's stats or rating are, if he gets the job done, it will matter the most. Young has a tough mentality, he doesn't get scared when his team is down, he has shown that he can come back from a deficit.

One more thing, look at the guys surrounding Leinart, James, Boldin, Fitzgerald. It is not like Leinart is putting up 35 points onthe board and the defense can't stop other teams, he just isn't as good as people thought he might be.

Warner with his mistakes is better than Leinart, for now at least.

[jsarno]

I know that right now, Young "appears" to have the better of this match up, but everyone said Vick was the man too, and what has he done?
Young will be nothing until he learns to throw the ball better.

The titans should be 1-2 right now, they lucked out...and who couldn't beat the Saints at this point? Throw in a high school team to give the Saints a shot.

It took a while for everyone to come around with Vick, and it will take a while before everyone stops sucking Young's balls too.

I will say this...Young's comp% is way up this year, so he's on the right track, but I think it's fluke and it will come down.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Hmmm...let us see, you are talking about a lot of numbers here when you forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT number of them all, who won more games? I can care less what the QB's stats or rating are, if he gets the job done, it will matter the most. Young has a tough mentality, he doesn't get scared when his team is down, he has shown that he can come back from a deficit.

One more thing, look at the guys surrounding Leinart, James, Boldin, Fitzgerald. It is not like Leinart is putting up 35 points onthe board and the defense can't stop other teams, he just isn't as good as people thought he might be.

Warner with his mistakes is better than Leinart, for now at least.

Who wins more games has more to do with coaching and the other players around you than it does with 1 person.
Funny how everyone knew that fact until Young came into the league, then everyone scrapped it and thought that Young could win games all by his lonesome. No player will win games by himself...NONE.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Who wins more games has more to do with coaching and the other players around you than it does with 1 person.
Funny how everyone knew that fact until Young came into the league, then everyone scrapped it and thought that Young could win games all by his lonesome. No player will win games by himself...NONE.

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

[CPAlltheWay012]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

completly agree

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I know that right now, Young "appears" to have the better of this match up, but everyone said Vick was the man too, and what has he done?
Young will be nothing until he learns to throw the ball better.

The titans should be 1-2 right now, they lucked out...and who couldn't beat the Saints at this point? Throw in a high school team to give the Saints a shot.

It took a while for everyone to come around with Vick, and it will take a while before everyone stops sucking Young's balls too.

I will say this...Young's comp% is way up this year, so he's on the right track, but I think it's fluke and it will come down.

So I guess your not a Vince Young fan huh??

Give the guy some credit. Some of the things he does simply do not show up in the stat sheet. Plus he has no WR's to speak of. To say his completion % is a fluke is simply riducules.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

I'm not referring to USC...college is an inferior league to the NFL (obviously). It means nothing to me. Some of the best players in college don't pan out in the NFL. Leinart still looks better throwing the ball than Young.

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

I disagree with that. I think Edgerran James is overrated now, and also, the O line of Tennessee is better. Yes, Leinart has better WR's, however they still need the ball thrown to them. If they were on Tennessee they would be in trouble cause Young over throws and under throws all the time.
ps- you asking the wrong person, I know 99% of players on every team. But I live and breathe football.

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

You obviously didn't watch the jacksonville where they had two chances at easy chip shots but since Scobee was hurt, they had no kicker to kick for them...they had to go for it on the 20 yard line on 4th down. Had Scobee not been hurt, they would have lost to Jacksonville. Of course this is a whole lot of "what if", but it shows me Tennessee is a pretender.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

It's only Leinart's 2nd season, he's still pretty green behind the ears and so far he has proven that this year.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So I guess your not a Vince Young fan huh??

Give the guy some credit. Some of the things he does simply do not show up in the stat sheet. Plus he has no WR's to speak of. To say his completion % is a fluke is simply riducules.

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

To say he is a terrible QB is almost funny. Rex Grossman is a terrible QB

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

Don't you think "terrible" is a bit extreme? I think he's shown real improvement over the past several games and is becoming a more complete QB overall.

I'd probably say the Titans are my 2nd favorite team, and I remember really wanting them to draft Leinart but the more I watch Young the more pleased I am with the selection.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To say he is a terrible QB is almost funny. Rex Grossman is a terrible QB

I'm not going to argue that. Although, if Grossman had Young's legs, he'd be a better QB. Look at the numbers, Grossman passes better. But since Grossman can't run, he's awful.
Look back at what I said. I separated his scrambling skills from his actual QB skills. We'll call them throwing skills. His scrambling is second to none, his throwing is one of the worst in the league.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't you think "terrible" is a bit extreme? I think he's shown real improvement over the past several games and is becoming a more complete QB overall.

I'd probably say the Titans are my 2nd favorite team, and I remember really wanting them to draft Leinart but the more I watch Young the more pleased I am with the selection.

I will say this, he looked a lot better last week vs the Saints, but who can't get back on track vs the Saints. Every once in a while Vick would do well throwing the ball too. I'd like to see him play a good defense and do well. He played Jacksonville and only passed for 78 yards...78 yards!
Even in the Saints game the WR's had to make a lot of adjustments to catch his throws, but he was more on the money than he had been.
After the bye they have Atlanta...this year's doormat. So I am not expecting him to fail miserably there. But the two games after that are at Tampa, and at Houston, and I feel the titan will lose both those games, and it will be because Young won't be able to beat them with his arm.