Defensive line still a major issue

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

again.... im not talking about our linebackers and safeties. im talking about the front four on a four man rush getting bitched everytime.

and yes, hopefully our secondary plays very well, because honestly if we go into new england with no pressure its over, brady will eat us apart. i would like to see these guys step it up.

Honestly, Brady is going to pretty much pick anyone apart.. Relax and enjoy 2-0

[Cowell]

I honestly don't think that our front 4 can get any pressure on there own. I think we need to bring a linebacker and when we can a safety to really get at the QB.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

donovan had all day unless we were sending blitzing. i was pissed the entire game at that. every time there was a sack or any pressure at all i would see landry or rocky or washington in there. same thing with the dolphins game. i honestly think this may hurt us in the long run. i mean seriously was anyone else not screaming at the TV when Donovan would drop back and just casually look around for an open guy? good thing he sucks and our corners stepped up this week.

i know its too late to do anything about now, but we have to fix this in the offseason. and what the hell kind of tackle was that when evans hit westbrook before he took off for a 30 yard gain, disgusting.

Whoa, disgusting? Probably time for you to get off the warpath with that kind of negative reaction to, what by any measure, was a great Redskin WIN! And you were watching a different game when you say that the front four did not change how McNabb was playing the game. Did you even see the throws he missed? Do you think he misses those throws if there's no pressure?

You might want to find something better to scream at your TV about...

And to pick a single missed play by a second string defensive end on one of the shiftiest and best runners in the game is ludicrous. Just sit back, think about the game and tell us that this was not an outstanding defensive effort by a TEAM. Isn't 12 points evidence enough?

We would all like to bring in the next DL stud when he becomes available. But remember that there's a 53 man roster, and cap money (and affordable talent) is in limited supply. So far, the choice the Redskins made to stand pat with the DL is just fine with me. Can we improve? Sure! But tell me what team can't...

Time to adjust your attitude and let's hear some positive vibes from you if you want to call yourself a true Redskins fan.

[GusFrerotte]

I think our D line did OK on MNF, didn't nail McNabb as much as they should have, but they did have somewhat of a rush going, just didn't get a hold of him. Someone in the game chat was right though, at times the linemen looked lethargic in their pursuit of Donovan. We should have had 6 sacks just due to the coverage. I like how Carter did get a sack, but the other guys need to get in on the action.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

donovan had all day unless we were sending blitzing. i was pissed the entire game at that. every time there was a sack or any pressure at all i would see landry or rocky or washington in there. same thing with the dolphins game. i honestly think this may hurt us in the long run. i mean seriously was anyone else not screaming at the TV when Donovan would drop back and just casually look around for an open guy? good thing he sucks and our corners stepped up this week.

i know its too late to do anything about now, but we have to fix this in the offseason. and what the hell kind of tackle was that when evans hit westbrook before he took off for a 30 yard gain, disgusting.

Are you surprised or something? You knew going in we needed DE help. At least we are not getting gashed on the run like last year. It looks like Montgomery, Goldston and Griff are holding down the middle pretty well. You can't fix everything in one year. We are 2-0. Be happy instead of finding the negative.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Whoa, disgusting? Probably time for you to get off the warpath with that kind of negative reaction to, what by any measure, was a great Redskin WIN! And you were watching a different game when you say that the front four did not change how McNabb was playing the game. Did you even see the throws he missed? Do you think he misses those throws if there's no pressure?

You might want to find something better to scream at your TV about...

And to pick a single missed play by a second string defensive end on one of the shiftiest and best runners in the game is ludicrous. Just sit back, think about the game and tell us that this was not an outstanding defensive effort by a TEAM. Isn't 12 points evidence enough?

We would all like to bring in the next DL stud when he becomes available. But remember that there's a 53 man roster, and cap money (and affordable talent) is in limited supply. So far, the choice the Redskins made to stand pat with the DL is just fine with me. Can we improve? Sure! But tell me what team can't...

Time to adjust your attitude and let's hear some positive vibes from you if you want to call yourself a true Redskins fan.

Very well put. Why is it that some fans are never happy? Always gotta bitch about something. We are 2-0 and I'm happy as hell!

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

again.... im not talking about our linebackers and safeties. im talking about the front four on a four man rush getting bitched everytime.

and yes, hopefully our secondary plays very well, because honestly if we go into new england with no pressure its over, brady will eat us apart. i would like to see these guys step it up.

i think your football knowledge is stuggling. anyone who agees with you is struggling also. a four man rush hardly ever wins, ever. lets run down some teams that blitz consistently....Pitt, New England, San Diego, Philly, Ravens.....all these teams rarely rely on thier front four to get sacks, they are known as blitzing teams. front 4 pressure is overrated. creativity in the blitz game is what gets the pressure on the qb. the teams i mentioned before are tradition power houses on defense. i am not saying front 4 means nothing but i bet if you asked any good defensive coordinator if the front 4s main goal is to stop the run or rush? almost all would say they would rather stop the run with the front 4. i am sick of this argument about how we dont get pressure with our front 4, almost nobody does. the good teams rely on the blitz to do this. i am not much on stats but the stats prove it...to be honest, would our defense be any better with dwight freeny there instead of andre carter? because last year freeny only had 5.5 sacks. carter 6. this argument gets deeper but this post is already too long.

[holcknowsbest]

85 bears, 2000 ravens.......dude the list goes on, nobody just rushed 4 and got it done. i think its easy to see that getting to quarterback is so much more than just the front 4, front 7 might be a better argument. but with the safeties and corner blitzes having become more popular, i would argue that getting to the quarter back is about blitzing not just a straight front 4 pass rush.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

This year is the year of defensive ends in the draft. We will have a surplus to choose from there, and that is where we will get our defensive end from.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

i think your football knowledge is stuggling. anyone who agees with you is struggling also. a four man rush hardly ever wins, ever. lets run down some teams that blitz consistently....Pitt, New England, San Diego, Philly, Ravens.....all these teams rarely rely on thier front four to get sacks, they are known as blitzing teams. front 4 pressure is overrated. creativity in the blitz game is what gets the pressure on the qb. the teams i mentioned before are tradition power houses on defense. i am not saying front 4 means nothing but i bet if you asked any good defensive coordinator if the front 4s main goal is to stop the run or rush? almost all would say they would rather stop the run with the front 4. i am sick of this argument about how we dont get pressure with our front 4, almost nobody does. the good teams rely on the blitz to do this. i am not much on stats but the stats prove it...to be honest, would our defense be any better with dwight freeny there instead of andre carter? because last year freeny only had 5.5 sacks. carter 6. this argument gets deeper but this post is already too long.

Bringing extra guys is also how big plays in the passing game happen. That's why most teams send only 4 a majority of the time, and generally expect to get pressure. That's pretty elementary.

Pass pressure is just a big give-take conundrum. If you are stronger in the secondary, you blitz more to make the QB throw sooner and rely on the secondary to do their jobs. If your DL is stronger, you blitz less and allow the backers and safeties to help the corners.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well I certainly am not opposed to us going after a stud pass rusher in the offseason, if we can get our hands on one. But to call the defensive line's play a major issue is flat out incorrect.

I remember seeing Carter coming around the edge, forcing Donovan to evade him as Griffin pushed his way into the backfield, wrapping him up and taking him down.

I saw several other instances in which Carter was coming around the edge and Donovan threw the ball just before Carter made contact. McNabb's throws were way off in most of those cases. Some blame it on the knee, and maybe that's true, but you could tell he could not set his feet and get comfortable in the pocket.

Sacks aren't the only measure of defensive line play. Pressure itself makes a big impact on the game.

Now, when McNabb started to get rolling at the end of the second half, he was getting the ball out quickly because GW had the corners back off and leave a cushion to prevent any huge plays. The line didn't have time to get to McNabb before the ball came out.

I thought they did well the other night.

I think our DL is average at best. I'd like to see some experimenting there with Wilson and even Golston in certain situations. Nothing to lose, in my opinion. I think Daniels is through and his backup can't rush or play the run to an acceptable degree. That position is going to cost us down the road if we can't come up with something. We can't afford to have our CB's give so much room to receivers, which we have to do when the rush from linemen is poor.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I'm sorry but Andre Carter needs to learn a few moves. I'm not complaining about out DLine except for him and he has still played pretty good. I just think that speed rush to the outside ten yards past the quarterback is useless. Try a drop step or cutback.

yeah 100% agree with ya here. Andre seems to do the speed rush to the outside everytime which allows the LT to just ride him farther outside the whole time. If he mixed it up alil more I think he could really catch some guys napping. But atleast we have a DE with speed to do that and AC's motor seems to always be going 110% every snap. Go skins!!

I dont think daniels is done. he holds his ground well against the O-line, hope he comes back soon.

I thought m. washington was going to be our blitz guy this year, havent seen it yet.

[freddyg12]

Let's hope Wilson improves as the season goes along. He's only going to be a pass rush specialist this year anyway.

I saw him make a few good moves but not enough to beat his man. He will be getting some more playing time in the coming weeks.

[T.O.Killa]

I am exstatic with what our defense has done. We are on pace to do 40 sacks. That is a huge improvement. Andre carter was putting pressure on all night. McIntosh's sack was realy Andre carter forcing him into his arms. I am more worried about our corners holding up than anything. If they hold up we will have a great defense.

[DiehardSkin88]

Griffin also had a sack