Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-01-2006, 05:04 PM

You're not getting either of our OTs Falconfan.

Oakland Red · 12-01-2006, 05:07 PM

I hope Jansen is hurt too, because otherwise, we will need to replace him. He has been a great player for us, but the dropoff in his play is too much to stay the course if it isn't injury related in my opinion. It's not a what have you done in the past business.

dmek25 · 12-01-2006, 05:08 PM

hey pudge, the left tackle that left for cleveland is a home town boy, shaffer

Big C · 12-01-2006, 05:12 PM

both are staying, i have little doubt. samuels i think has been pretty solid lately. jansen finally doesnt have to block the blindside since campbell is a right hander, our line played a lot better last week. jansen is the team leader IMO, no way he leaves. he retires a skin i think. samuels, doubt he leaves. huge contract and solid player

dall-assblows · 12-01-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudge

I've heard talk in Redskins circles that both starting OTs won't be back with the team next year. Which one is more likely to be released? Samuels or Jansen? Or is that just an unfounded rumor?...

damn falcons fan's trying to start something

Schneed10 · 12-01-2006, 06:00 PM

Getting rid of Samuels is impossible, he'd kill our salary cap. Not that we'd ever want to get rid of him.

It's possible to get rid of Jansen from a cap perspective, but his cap figure is a relative bargain amongst RTs in the league.

Neither are leaving. And I can't imagine Gibbs would want them to.

Remember in 2004 when Gibbs first came back, the line struggled? Then the next year, after getting comfortable in the offense, they had a great year together. Same thing should happen next year. Keep them together, including Dock.

Just need to incorporate a bit more power running rather than all the stupid sweeps to the edge.

GTripp0012 · 12-01-2006, 06:06 PM

I think Jansen goes first but they will both be back next season.

That Guy · 12-01-2006, 06:11 PM

neither is going. no chance. and yeah, jansen will probably exit before samuels whenever it finally is time.

JWsleep · 12-01-2006, 07:18 PM

Troll. Don't bother. I hear Vick is leaving Atl. No one told me that, nor do I have a link. It just stands to reason...

Longtimefan · 12-01-2006, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudge

I've heard talk in Redskins circles that both starting OTs won't be back with the team next year. Which one is more likely to be released? Samuels or Jansen? Or is that just an unfounded rumor?...

Unfounded Rumor......

4mrusmc · 12-01-2006, 10:16 PM

Me personally, I think we are missing one if not two stud o-linemen. Guys like the mold of Thomas and of course the ol' retro O-linemen we had back in the 80's when we would just maul people at the point of attack. I do think that Samuals is overrated but, Doc is doing fine.

Jason72 · 12-02-2006, 08:52 AM

Samuels is overrated and Jansen is a shell of his former self. I wish we had 5 Randy Thomas'! Neither tackle will be going anywhere (especially Samuels) because we are buried in their contracts and what would the alternative be?

One of my biggest disappointments of the Gibbs 2 era is that in three season under Bugel we don't seem to have brought up one single up-and-coming lineman.

GoSkins! · 12-02-2006, 09:14 AM

I was looking at the salary cap earlier and it looks obvious that they want Samuals for at least 4 more years and Jansen for 2 more if they can perform. With that said, I think that we will be looking to draft a solid offensive tackle again on the second day of the draft in the hopes that we find a guy (like Golston) that can play solid ball.

chris36 · 12-02-2006, 10:01 AM

I cant believe that anyone would even think samuels would get cut. They would take a 16 million dollar cap hit. Jansen is possible, but not probable.

Pudge · 12-02-2006, 01:18 PM

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Troll. Don't bother. I hear Vick is leaving Atl. No one told me that, nor do I have a link. It just stands to reason...

Well that's just rude. I recall hearing something in the summer about the Redskins were thinking about parting ways with one or the other, and they needed a good year in 2006 to merit their high salaries. I figured Samuels was less likely since he just got that extension, but I also recalled talk a few years that Samuels was close to being cut.

I looked up Jansen's cap figures, and they are about $5.8 million in 2007 and over $6 million in 2008. Not exactly small potatoes, especially if the player is not performing up to their usual level. I was basically wondering if any one of them had been playing poorly enough this year that they may be in danger of being released. It seems a few individuals feel that Jansen's play has been to a level low enough that there is a possibility the team decides to move on after this year.

Now, as for your mention of Vick. There is in fact a growing rumor that Michael Vick will be gone from Atlanta soon. Many are suggesting it may come this upcoming off-season. That seems doubtful IMO, but 2008 is a pretty open year, and Vick needs to come back next year and have a good year, or the day that he is playing for the Oakland Raiders is inching closer an closer

12-01-2006, 05:04 PM	#16
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? You're not getting either of our OTs Falconfan.

12-01-2006, 05:07 PM	#17
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? I hope Jansen is hurt too, because otherwise, we will need to replace him. He has been a great player for us, but the dropoff in his play is too much to stay the course if it isn't injury related in my opinion. It's not a what have you done in the past business.

12-01-2006, 05:08 PM	#18
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? hey pudge, the left tackle that left for cleveland is a home town boy, shaffer __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-01-2006, 05:12 PM	#19
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? both are staying, i have little doubt. samuels i think has been pretty solid lately. jansen finally doesnt have to block the blindside since campbell is a right hander, our line played a lot better last week. jansen is the team leader IMO, no way he leaves. he retires a skin i think. samuels, doubt he leaves. huge contract and solid player __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

12-01-2006, 06:00 PM	#21
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? Getting rid of Samuels is impossible, he'd kill our salary cap. Not that we'd ever want to get rid of him. It's possible to get rid of Jansen from a cap perspective, but his cap figure is a relative bargain amongst RTs in the league. Neither are leaving. And I can't imagine Gibbs would want them to. Remember in 2004 when Gibbs first came back, the line struggled? Then the next year, after getting comfortable in the offense, they had a great year together. Same thing should happen next year. Keep them together, including Dock. Just need to incorporate a bit more power running rather than all the stupid sweeps to the edge. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-01-2006, 06:06 PM	#22
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? I think Jansen goes first but they will both be back next season. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

12-01-2006, 06:11 PM	#23
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? neither is going. no chance. and yeah, jansen will probably exit before samuels whenever it finally is time.

12-01-2006, 07:18 PM	#24
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? Troll. Don't bother. I hear Vick is leaving Atl. No one told me that, nor do I have a link. It just stands to reason... __________________ Hail from Houston!

12-01-2006, 10:16 PM	#26
4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 559	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? Me personally, I think we are missing one if not two stud o-linemen. Guys like the mold of Thomas and of course the ol' retro O-linemen we had back in the 80's when we would just maul people at the point of attack. I do think that Samuals is overrated but, Doc is doing fine.

12-02-2006, 08:52 AM	#27
Jason72 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Age: 52 Posts: 114	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? Samuels is overrated and Jansen is a shell of his former self. I wish we had 5 Randy Thomas'! Neither tackle will be going anywhere (especially Samuels) because we are buried in their contracts and what would the alternative be? One of my biggest disappointments of the Gibbs 2 era is that in three season under Bugel we don't seem to have brought up one single up-and-coming lineman. __________________ A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.

12-02-2006, 09:14 AM	#28
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? I was looking at the salary cap earlier and it looks obvious that they want Samuals for at least 4 more years and Jansen for 2 more if they can perform. With that said, I think that we will be looking to draft a solid offensive tackle again on the second day of the draft in the hopes that we find a guy (like Golston) that can play solid ball. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

12-02-2006, 10:01 AM	#29
chris36 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Which one goes? Samuels or Jansen? I cant believe that anyone would even think samuels would get cut. They would take a 16 million dollar cap hit. Jansen is possible, but not probable.

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