Fire Gregg Williams and Al Saunders

skinsfan69 · 12-03-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chris36

I dont like the big corner theory and I am pissed that we are stuck with Archuleta. Sorry for the second post, it was an accident.

While we are at it why don't we fire the cheerleaders too. You need to start looking at the players.

JWsleep · 11-12-2006, 06:24 PM

No, don't. Play better with what ya got. We are underachieving across the board (well, maybe the D has come back to reality after over-achieveing, but whatever). These are good coaches. Changing coaches, especially Saunders, in his first year and playing with a weak-ass QB, only causes more turmoil.

We aren't going to fix this with Danny's checkbook or a quick-fix firing. It's going to take some serious work, I'm afraid. I feel like the offense with a real QB can do some damage. THe D may need a few new bodies, but we know the they can play better (they have in the past). We just don't seem to beleive we can win, and when everyone sees MB go out there and throw the -9 yard pass, you can see why. It's demoralizing across the board.

jdlea · 11-12-2006, 06:31 PM

I don't think there's a reason to come out and start firing coaches. However, Brian Mitchell made an interesting point on Redskins Post Game Live. He said that it's time for Gibbs to start laying into guys. He said he was sick of hearing Gibbs blame losses on himself when the team's not playhing well and are making bonehead mistakes. He shared a story about one time when he showed up late to a meeting: Gibbs said, "You're a man now. If you wanna remain on this team you'll start showing up."

I agree. I don't think Gibbs is holding these guys as accountable as he should be. He needs to start pulling guys or screaming at them when they mess up. I don't think this nice guy routine works when you have a whole bunch of guys who think they are stars. Stop coddling this team and start kicking some ass...oh yeah...and bench Mark Brunell!

Longtimefan · 11-13-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I don't think there's a reason to come out and start firing coaches. However, Brian Mitchell made an interesting point on Redskins Post Game Live. He said that it's time for Gibbs to start laying into guys. He said he was sick of hearing Gibbs blame losses on himself when the team's not playhing well and are making bonehead mistakes. He shared a story about one time when he showed up late to a meeting: Gibbs said, "You're a man now. If you wanna remain on this team you'll start showing up."

I agree. I don't think Gibbs is holding these guys as accountable as he should be. He needs to start pulling guys or screaming at them when they mess up. I don't think this nice guy routine works when you have a whole bunch of guys who think they are stars. Stop coddling this team and start kicking some ass...oh yeah...and bench Mark Brunell!

He also said he thinks Gibbs has become Grandfather soft and not the taskmaster he used to be. I believe these guys view Gibbs as a players coach and they lack a sense of urgency because they know their coach is going to cover for them week in and week out when their performance leaves a lot to be desired. It may be time he took a different approach, providing it's not too late already.

Big C · 11-12-2006, 06:31 PM

lets see what saunders can do with a different qb who he trusts (campbell, or even collins at this point) we know he trusts collins at least

chris36 · 11-12-2006, 06:36 PM

Hey, I agree with benching Brunnel at this point, but he rarely throws interceptions. The offensive line was awful. I am suprised he only threw one interception.

12thMan · 11-12-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chris36

Hey, I agree with benching Brunnel at this point, but he rarely throws interceptions. The offensive line was awful. I am suprised he only threw one interception.

He rarely throws interceptions because he's always, always, throwing high percentage passes. The same mentallity can be attributed to Brunell being one of the least sacked QBs in the league. He dumps the ball off quick. Stats in this case mean nothing.

hooskins · 11-12-2006, 07:03 PM

Chris, you are an r-tard. This thread should be in thread hell.

redsk1 · 11-12-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Chris, you are an r-tard. This thread should be in thread hell.

Second that. You've got to be kidding right? Get real.

chris36 · 11-12-2006, 08:41 PM

Hey, the Redskins defense played horrible. Greg Williams is directly responsible for that. Joe Gibbs has give him free rain, with personnel and the play book. The players that he brought have not done a whole lot. Carlos Rogers was his choice. He has even managed to make Taylor look bad. As far as Saunders goes, I think it is personnel. The combination of the OL play bad, combined with a medicore quarterback.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-12-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chris36

He has even managed to make Taylor look bad.

Williams didn't make Taylor bite on a double-move or grab a facemask.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-12-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chris36

As far as Saunders goes, I think it is personnel. The combination of the OL play bad, combined with a medicore quarterback.

So why did you start a thread calling for Saunders' firing?

Twilbert07 · 11-12-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chris36

Hey, I agree with benching Brunnel at this point, but he rarely throws interceptions. The offensive line was awful. I am suprised he only threw one interception.

And Brunell rarely does anything to win a game. He led us to 3 points and gave the Eagles 7. The defense played poorly, but when we were behind, there was no way Brunell was going to get us back into the game. Alas, all he did was seal the deal with his TD pass to the wrong team.

#56fanatic · 11-12-2006, 07:52 PM

I think our D has played better the last couple of games. Eagles are #1 in the NFL. we held them pretty good the whole game. two big plays on offense, one of which was a fluke and they have 3 points. the pick cost us a TD. I think our D is coming around. we held them under 100 yards rushing until right at the end of the game.

I am sick of watching this offense week in and week out. We need 9 yards and we throw a 3 yard dump off to the back. I am sick of watching hand offs to randel el, screens on 3rd and long. it is absolutely ridiculous to do the sorry shit we do week in and week out. the talent is on the field and the crap we call is mind boggling. Duckett comes in and runds 12 yards and 5 yards on two carries, and then he is back on the bench. I think he is what will give us the opportunity to run the ball down hill and win games. (if portis is out for a while)
bring on Campbell.

CPDAMAN · 11-12-2006, 09:08 PM

I dont think I could endorse firing either one, but Chris36 has a point.

11-12-2006, 06:24 PM	#2
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I No, don't. Play better with what ya got. We are underachieving across the board (well, maybe the D has come back to reality after over-achieveing, but whatever). These are good coaches. Changing coaches, especially Saunders, in his first year and playing with a weak-ass QB, only causes more turmoil. We aren't going to fix this with Danny's checkbook or a quick-fix firing. It's going to take some serious work, I'm afraid. I feel like the offense with a real QB can do some damage. THe D may need a few new bodies, but we know the they can play better (they have in the past). We just don't seem to beleive we can win, and when everyone sees MB go out there and throw the -9 yard pass, you can see why. It's demoralizing across the board. __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-12-2006, 06:31 PM	#3
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I I don't think there's a reason to come out and start firing coaches. However, Brian Mitchell made an interesting point on Redskins Post Game Live. He said that it's time for Gibbs to start laying into guys. He said he was sick of hearing Gibbs blame losses on himself when the team's not playhing well and are making bonehead mistakes. He shared a story about one time when he showed up late to a meeting: Gibbs said, "You're a man now. If you wanna remain on this team you'll start showing up." I agree. I don't think Gibbs is holding these guys as accountable as he should be. He needs to start pulling guys or screaming at them when they mess up. I don't think this nice guy routine works when you have a whole bunch of guys who think they are stars. Stop coddling this team and start kicking some ass...oh yeah...and bench Mark Brunell!

11-12-2006, 06:36 PM	#6
chris36 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I Hey, I agree with benching Brunnel at this point, but he rarely throws interceptions. The offensive line was awful. I am suprised he only threw one interception.

11-12-2006, 07:03 PM	#8
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 38 Posts: 8,606	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I Chris, you are an r-tard. This thread should be in thread hell. __________________ Vacancy

11-12-2006, 08:41 PM	#10
chris36 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I Hey, the Redskins defense played horrible. Greg Williams is directly responsible for that. Joe Gibbs has give him free rain, with personnel and the play book. The players that he brought have not done a whole lot. Carlos Rogers was his choice. He has even managed to make Taylor look bad. As far as Saunders goes, I think it is personnel. The combination of the OL play bad, combined with a medicore quarterback.

11-12-2006, 06:31 PM	#5
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I lets see what saunders can do with a different qb who he trusts (campbell, or even collins at this point) we know he trusts collins at least __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

11-12-2006, 07:52 PM	#14
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I I think our D has played better the last couple of games. Eagles are #1 in the NFL. we held them pretty good the whole game. two big plays on offense, one of which was a fluke and they have 3 points. the pick cost us a TD. I think our D is coming around. we held them under 100 yards rushing until right at the end of the game. I am sick of watching this offense week in and week out. We need 9 yards and we throw a 3 yard dump off to the back. I am sick of watching hand offs to randel el, screens on 3rd and long. it is absolutely ridiculous to do the sorry shit we do week in and week out. the talent is on the field and the crap we call is mind boggling. Duckett comes in and runds 12 yards and 5 yards on two carries, and then he is back on the bench. I think he is what will give us the opportunity to run the ball down hill and win games. (if portis is out for a while) bring on Campbell.

11-12-2006, 09:08 PM	#15
CPDAMAN Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 40	Re: Fire Gregg Williams and Al Suanders I I dont think I could endorse firing either one, but Chris36 has a point.

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