Tom Brady/Balco Connection

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

You greatly misunderstand this issue, there is by far, more roids or should I say growth hormones in the NFL than in any other sport, you cannot maintain the body weight and muscle mass with what you have described as a ridiculous training regimin, the matabolism wont allow it especially at the young ages of most of these players, there is no way to maintain that weight through the season without illegal help.

Your comment about a person's metabolism is only correct for a portion of the population. I have a personal friend, who very rarely does any kind of lifting, yet he looks like a thin bodybuilder. I have another friend, who grew up in South Carolina and actually played Pop Warner football against Stephen Davis. He said Davis was huge, fast, and dominant compared to all the other ten year olds he was playing against. I doubt very seriously that Stephen Davis was juicing when he was ten years old.

Most athletes are genetic freaks, who have been bigger and faster than everyone else their entire lives. While I agree that a lot of players may use supplements, it's a little close minded to assume that a player is juicing simply because he is bigger and stronger than the average person.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Your comment about a person's metabolism is only correct for a portion of the population. I have a personal friend, who very rarely does any kind of lifting, yet he looks like a thin bodybuilder. I have another friend, who grew up in South Carolina and actually played pop warner football against Stephen Davis. He said Davis was huge, fast, and dominant compared to all the other ten year olds he was playing against. I doubt very seriously that Stephen Davis was juicing when he was ten years old.

Most athletes are genetic freaks, who have been bigger and faster than everyone else their entire lives. While I agree that a lot of players may use supplements, it's a little close minded to assume that a player is juicing simply because he is bigger and stronger than the average person.

I do not ever want to accuse an individual of cheating, when he's only guilty of hard work, but you have to understand I have been lifting and bodybuilding since I was 15, I am now 42, I have been in and out of gyms all over Jersey I have played semi pro baseball, and have played with and against X MLB players as well as X NFL players, you have no idea what's going on out there, as Defensewins pointed out HS kids are juicing, they were juicing when I was in HS, do really believe that with all the money available if you make a pro team that these guys aren't going to start juicing for the big pay day? Heck a third of my old softball team used to juice as we headed into the playoffs and we only played for a trophy. I understand your stance but that stance is exactly what these pro sports organizations are counting on, they tell everyone we have a strict drug testing program when in fact it's not the frequency in which these players are tested, it's the method in which they are tested, and rest assured nobody is looking for positive results!

[That Guy]

don't argue with offiss he's a weight lifter and if he can't do it, then that means everyone else must be cheating.

[Monkeydad]

Juicing for softball is pretty sad.

Their wives are going to be mad at them for shrinking their softballs for just a trophy.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

don't argue with offiss he's a weight lifter and if he can't do it, then that means everyone else must be cheating.

Not at all, what I am saying is, if you have never lifted a weight than your probably unquilified to understand how the body responds to weightlifting, and when I say never lifted a weight, I do mean spending a couple of years in the weight room at the least to really know how the body responds.

[superskins]

tom brady is obviously on roids, just look at him!