Saunders and the Fullback.

That Guy · 01-21-2006, 10:27 PM

more 3 wr sets, and we'll probably have a lot more shifting (which gibbs ditched last offseason)... and more aggressive play calling (no sitting on 3 point leads for 40 minutes). He's here to fix it, not slightly modify it.

bedlamVR · 01-22-2006, 07:29 AM

Both Saunders and Gibbs come from the same coaching tree so you can imagine thier coaching philosophies are interchangable. I cannot see Saunders doing anything to really limit our offensive playmakers, it makes no sence to do so, what he will do is to try and iron out the incosistancies and have a plan B when things get shut down .

The thing that really interests me about this move is it really looks like the structure is being put in place to prepare for life after Gibbs. Williams has already said when he takes another HC job he will not try and do everything but put in place a good offensive co-ordinator . I really couldnt see Gibbs and Williams changing place but Saunders has never really looked to get a HC jig since the Chargers back in the 80s .

Schneed10 · 01-22-2006, 08:48 AM

I agree with everyone who is saying that Saunders was brought in to be in charge of the offensive schemes. Gibbs didn't decide to hire him for 2 million per year just to be another source of input. He's coming in and will get control.

But Saunders is also not stupid, he's not going to come in and change the things that have been working for us. There's no way he'll make any changes to the off-tackle sweeps by Portis, the play he ran out of a single-back set where Randy Thomas would pull out in front of him and get into open space. That play was our bread and butter running play because it took advantage of Thomas's athletic ability.

The Saunders offense is very similar in style to Gibbs. He's going to change a few things, but he's NOT going to change what works. And the fact is, the offense had a fair amount that worked this past season. After all, it ranked 11th and managed 22 points per game. We will still see the WR screens to Moss, the double move go-routes to Moss, the sweeps to Portis, the flat passes to Cooley, and the stretch plays for Portis. Saunders is not going to come in and insist that Portis run with a fullback. There may be some new plays ADDED to the playbook that include a fullback, but I think the primary running plays will be anything where Randy Thomas pulls into space. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And a lot of the offense isn't broken.

Saunders will improve playcalling and make us less predictable, he'll add some plays, and he'll use what worked well for us last year. It's not going to be a 100% overhaul.

gortiz · 01-22-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I doubt that Saunders was brought in to overhaul the offense. I think he was brought in to give it more of a facelift. I think he'll open up the playbook, but I doubt that the Gibbs system will change too drastically. I especially can't envision the use of the H Back being phased out, but I could be wrong.

I'm so sure about. First of all, they didn't pay him all that money to just add and consult, and overee. I think he is going to have an active role in changing alot about philiospy and the plays as well. From what I read, he lives off of keepting the defense off balance, so I see a lot of changes in our playbook, more screens, reverses, more 4 WR sets, more bunch formations, ect.

Schneed10 · 01-22-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gortiz

I'm so sure about. First of all, they didn't pay him all that money to just add and consult, and overee. I think he is going to have an active role in changing alot about philiospy and the plays as well. From what I read, he lives off of keepting the defense off balance, so I see a lot of changes in our playbook, more screens, reverses, more 4 WR sets, more bunch formations, ect.

Yeah but there's no way he'll do away with the things we did so well. We'll keep the WR screens to Moss and a lot of Portis' plays.

jdlea · 01-22-2006, 12:20 PM

Well, turns out I was wrong, I just started a new thread about Gibbs giving up playcalling. It looks like Saunders is gonna be the man as far as the O is concerned

jordanz301 · 02-28-2006, 08:17 PM

ya suanderssaid that sometimes he wont run the same play in 2-3 games, he likes to run plays that the dfense has no idea its comming, unlike gibbs, hell take a play milk it for every yard he can in oe game........im really excited to see how this will end up

mooby · 02-28-2006, 08:22 PM

if saunders does impliment the fullback system, i see sellers as the fullback and cooley going to a fully tight end position.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-28-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

if saunders does impliment the fullback system, i see sellers as the fullback and cooley going to a fully tight end position.

You're probably right. Cooley is a better receiver than blocker (and he's a pretty decent blocker). Portis has said explicitly that if someone has to lead the way for him out of the backfield, he prefers Sellers to anyone else. Sellers is like an offensive lineman in the backfield (at close to 280 lbs.) and I like the idea of him clearing the way for Portis.

Hopefully, Sellers won't be a cap casualty.

Huddle · 03-01-2006, 12:39 PM

Although they both descend from the Coryell tree, the primary difference is that Saunders uses the pass to set up the run. I'm guessing that we'll see the H-back (with Cooley) and Sellers at tight end unless we can draft someone with better speed.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 12:50 PM

there are a lot of good TEs we could draft. pope is the best, klop is also good and tim day will be better than royal, but not as good as the other two.

Huddle · 03-01-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

there are a lot of good TEs we could draft. pope is the best, klop is also good and tim day will be better than royal, but not as good as the other two.

I've read that the draft is deep with TE's but, other than Pope and Vernon Davis, I don't know much about the others. Royal is a blocking TE but I think Saunders will be looking for someone who is more of a weapon.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

I've read that the draft is deep with TE's but, other than Pope and Vernon Davis, I don't know much about the others. Royal is a blocking TE but I think Saunders will be looking for someone who is more of a weapon.

cooley is the receiving TE. there's 3 good blockers we'll actually have a chance to draft (pope, klopenstein, andd tim day). pope is 6'7" and the best all around TE except for V davis (m lewis is a great catching guy, but a terrible blocker and he'll be gone before our pick). klop is 6'5" (doesn't have the greatest ups) and is also good at finding open spots and a willing and able blocker. tim day is 6'3" and probably has the best potential for blocking, is only average as a catcher and is generally unpolished (but still an upgrade over royal in blocking and catching). All three should catch better than royal right now.

If you really want a catching TE, byrd is a cooley clone and will be available too, but that's really not what the skins need (he's 6'3" and not a super jumper either.)

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

If you really want a catching TE, byrd is a cooley clone and will be available too, but that's really not what the skins need (he's 6'3" and not a super jumper either.)

Where are Byrd and Pope projected to be drafted? I thought that they would both be gone by the time we drafted?

I personally like the idea of drafting a tight-end, as opposed to a wideout with our 2nd round pick. It's easier to get an impact TE than a WR in the late-second round. Plus, given Gibbs'/Saunders' playbook, it makes sense to draft another TE.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 01:28 PM

davis is high first, lewis low first, pope and byrd in the 2nd-3rd (low 2nd), klop in the 3rd, day in the 4th. fasano is in there too (2nd round), but i'm really not that impressed with him.

so we should have our choice and be able to get one of them in the 2nd or 3rd (depending on if a good OL guy is there in the 2nd). after day there's no one though. preferrably if you put off the TE pick to the 3rd round klop would still be there.

I agree that a TE is better than a WR. everyone got really hung up on the big WRs (stovall, hagan), but they're 4th round talent that's going to be picked up in the 2nd round cause the class sucks. pope is taller, heavier, faster, and a better jumper than stovall, so why not go TE?

01-21-2006, 10:27 PM	#16
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,565	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. more 3 wr sets, and we'll probably have a lot more shifting (which gibbs ditched last offseason)... and more aggressive play calling (no sitting on 3 point leads for 40 minutes). He's here to fix it, not slightly modify it.

01-22-2006, 07:29 AM	#17
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. Both Saunders and Gibbs come from the same coaching tree so you can imagine thier coaching philosophies are interchangable. I cannot see Saunders doing anything to really limit our offensive playmakers, it makes no sence to do so, what he will do is to try and iron out the incosistancies and have a plan B when things get shut down . The thing that really interests me about this move is it really looks like the structure is being put in place to prepare for life after Gibbs. Williams has already said when he takes another HC job he will not try and do everything but put in place a good offensive co-ordinator . I really couldnt see Gibbs and Williams changing place but Saunders has never really looked to get a HC jig since the Chargers back in the 80s .

01-22-2006, 08:48 AM	#18
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,435	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. I agree with everyone who is saying that Saunders was brought in to be in charge of the offensive schemes. Gibbs didn't decide to hire him for 2 million per year just to be another source of input. He's coming in and will get control. But Saunders is also not stupid, he's not going to come in and change the things that have been working for us. There's no way he'll make any changes to the off-tackle sweeps by Portis, the play he ran out of a single-back set where Randy Thomas would pull out in front of him and get into open space. That play was our bread and butter running play because it took advantage of Thomas's athletic ability. The Saunders offense is very similar in style to Gibbs. He's going to change a few things, but he's NOT going to change what works. And the fact is, the offense had a fair amount that worked this past season. After all, it ranked 11th and managed 22 points per game. We will still see the WR screens to Moss, the double move go-routes to Moss, the sweeps to Portis, the flat passes to Cooley, and the stretch plays for Portis. Saunders is not going to come in and insist that Portis run with a fullback. There may be some new plays ADDED to the playbook that include a fullback, but I think the primary running plays will be anything where Randy Thomas pulls into space. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And a lot of the offense isn't broken. Saunders will improve playcalling and make us less predictable, he'll add some plays, and he'll use what worked well for us last year. It's not going to be a 100% overhaul.

01-22-2006, 12:20 PM	#21
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. Well, turns out I was wrong, I just started a new thread about Gibbs giving up playcalling. It looks like Saunders is gonna be the man as far as the O is concerned

02-28-2006, 08:17 PM	#22
jordanz301 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: damascus, maryland Age: 36 Posts: 161	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. ya suanderssaid that sometimes he wont run the same play in 2-3 games, he likes to run plays that the dfense has no idea its comming, unlike gibbs, hell take a play milk it for every yard he can in oe game........im really excited to see how this will end up __________________ "meet sean taylor"

02-28-2006, 08:22 PM	#23
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,505	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. if saunders does impliment the fullback system, i see sellers as the fullback and cooley going to a fully tight end position. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

03-01-2006, 12:39 PM	#25
Huddle Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 352	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. Although they both descend from the Coryell tree, the primary difference is that Saunders uses the pass to set up the run. I'm guessing that we'll see the H-back (with Cooley) and Sellers at tight end unless we can draft someone with better speed.

03-01-2006, 12:50 PM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,565	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. there are a lot of good TEs we could draft. pope is the best, klop is also good and tim day will be better than royal, but not as good as the other two.

03-01-2006, 01:28 PM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,565	Re: Saunders and the Fullback. davis is high first, lewis low first, pope and byrd in the 2nd-3rd (low 2nd), klop in the 3rd, day in the 4th. fasano is in there too (2nd round), but i'm really not that impressed with him. so we should have our choice and be able to get one of them in the 2nd or 3rd (depending on if a good OL guy is there in the 2nd). after day there's no one though. preferrably if you put off the TE pick to the 3rd round klop would still be there. I agree that a TE is better than a WR. everyone got really hung up on the big WRs (stovall, hagan), but they're 4th round talent that's going to be picked up in the 2nd round cause the class sucks. pope is taller, heavier, faster, and a better jumper than stovall, so why not go TE?

Saunders and the Fullback.

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