Bitter Jets Fans?

[HTTR]

Yes . . . Let's see a worthy #2 drawing some attention away from Moss. If he could post this year's stats being our ONLY WR threat, then he should be more effective if Patten comes back strong, or we find another top WR.

Another thing Moss does well is position himself perfectly on long passes. Speed is a big factor, but judgment about how to get to where the ball is going should not be taken for granted.

And Moss has turned into a solid possession receiver, whatever the Jetset may think.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Exactly Matty -- I need to see that this wasn't a one year thing. Regardless of where he was in yards: When I toss out names like Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Tory Holt, Anquan Boldin, etc, etc. Take the personallity that you may like or dislike away from each of these and look at a skill level. Would you keep Moss over any of them? I wouldn't.

If I see Moss replicate a year ANYTHING even remotely close (top 10 receiving, 6-7+ TD, being a staple in our offense for 16 games) I'll feel more confident.

I think Santana is probably the third best in the NFL right now. Only Steve Smith and Chad are better, in my opinion. I know that sounds like homerism, but.....

And if you look at Santana's avg. per catch with the Jets, it was damn good there. He was oft injured with hammy problems and think that's why we see such a big jump in his numbers this year.

[davy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

"The only thing I would add is that I am sick of people talking about how he has made such big plays, when every single one of them involved him simply beating his man. He never "makes" a play. Big plays happen to him. He catches balls downfield, and then finishes off with a TD because there is no one in front of him."

That may be one of the dumbest posts ever on a message board. He doesn't make a play, he just beats his man? Big plays happen to him?

That is hilarious, you would swear that was posted by a Skins fan being sarcastic.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

"The only thing I would add is that I am sick of people talking about how he has made such big plays, when every single one of them involved him simply beating his man. He never "makes" a play. Big plays happen to him. He catches balls downfield, and then finishes off with a TD because there is no one in front of him."

That may be one of the dumbest posts ever on a message board. He doesn't make a play, he just beats his man? Big plays happen to him?

Seriously, so Steve Smith must suck cause he left Bears corners laying in the dirt since they couldn't keep up with him. That's just stupid. It doesn't even make sense!

[Dana87]

Ok maybe it's time to add a football IQ test to the login screen. " Moss doens't make big plays they happen to him" Wow

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Exactly Matty -- I need to see that this wasn't a one year thing. Regardless of where he was in yards: When I toss out names like Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Tory Holt, Anquan Boldin, etc, etc. Take the personallity that you may like or dislike away from each of these and look at a skill level. Would you keep Moss over any of them? I wouldn't.

If I see Moss replicate a year ANYTHING even remotely close (top 10 receiving, 6-7+ TD, being a staple in our offense for 16 games) I'll feel more confident.

I'd take Moss over Boldin without a doubt. And you can't take away personality because it has a direct affect on their ability to help a team or not. Taking into consideration personality as one properly should I would take Moss over TO and Randy Moss. Now I'd certainly take Chad Johnson over our Moss but I'd have to find good reason to take Harrison or Holt over our Moss. Moss just fits perfectly into what Gibbs tries to do. None of those guys you mentioned can run the screen like Moss and none has the speed of Moss. I am not saying he is better than all of them because there are surely things they do better than Moss but it is hard to compare what Moss does with what is a typical WR in the league right now. With the success of quick homerun guys like Moss and Steve Smith we are going to see an increase in the small fast playmaking WRs in the next few seasons I think.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

"The only thing I would add is that I am sick of people talking about how he has made such big plays, when every single one of them involved him simply beating his man. He never "makes" a play. Big plays happen to him. He catches balls downfield, and then finishes off with a TD because there is no one in front of him."

That may be one of the dumbest posts ever on a message board. He doesn't make a play, he just beats his man? Big plays happen to him?

Don't be so tough on this guy. He is a Jets fan and hasn't seen a big play in a while. He has probably forgotten what they are. The biggest play they've seen in years was Edwards' play to get the hell out of there.

[MTK]

Boldin is pretty bad-assed though. He had our corners overmatched when we played AZ.

[offiss]

It's sour grapes by Jet fans, I knew it when we traded for him, the Jets didn't know what they had, Moss's only problem with the Jets was Pennington couldn't reach him with that noodle arm of his, another case of a WR being knocked because of the lack of offense around him, or an inferior QB throwing him the ball. It's easy to see how much a WR is at the mercy of the QB in an offense, Moss didn't become a better player when he arrived with us, we just utilized his abilities.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

"The only thing I would add is that I am sick of people talking about how he has made such big plays, when every single one of them involved him simply beating his man. He never "makes" a play. Big plays happen to him. He catches balls downfield, and then finishes off with a TD because there is no one in front of him."

That may be one of the dumbest posts ever on a message board. He doesn't make a play, he just beats his man? Big plays happen to him?

You mean like those WR screens when he has to run through and around about 5 players? You mean when he went to Gibbs playing against Dallas and said if I just cut that rout up field I will be open? You men that pass last week againt the Seahawks when the ball bounced off a defender and he still made the catch? Come on TAFKAS. He just makes it look easy!

[12thMan]

...and they think they are bitter now. New coach...question mark at QB....jeezz these guys might be in for another tough season.

[onlydarksets]

Actually, they have some pretty thoughtful and objective posters in that thread. If you get past the retarded #2 post, everyone seems to be saying that Moss had a great year, he is an explosive player and an offensive threat, he showed up Coles this year, the Jets' QBs sucked. They all recognized that the Skins used Moss the way he needed to be used, and, further, that Moss saved their hides a number times when he was on the Jets.

Pretty on target if you ask me.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

"The only thing I would add is that I am sick of people talking about how he has made such big plays, when every single one of them involved him simply beating his man. He never "makes" a play. Big plays happen to him. He catches balls downfield, and then finishes off with a TD because there is no one in front of him."

That may be one of the dumbest posts ever on a message board. He doesn't make a play, he just beats his man? Big plays happen to him?

taylorjacobs wrote that.

[onlydarksets]

OK, I take back what I said about the Jets having intelligent fans:
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=29728

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jamf

taylorjacobs wrote that.

LOL!!!

That poster, fittingly named AlioTheFool, goes on to add "How many of the plays he was involved in was there actual physical contact? None. Not one! But people touted Moss like he was some sort of golden god after that game. Even the screen play, which he caught almost behind the LOS, no one touched him."

So now the problem is he's untouched when running his routes?