Draft, FAs, etc

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

so he got 8 sacks down the stretch against some very so so lineman... who else that is a starter and their # in the 90's showed pressure? wynn needs to leave, i love the guy, but not even 2 sacks in an entire season is horrid, and his cap isnt worth what we are getting. joe and phillip are doing great with the hands up and joe was never brought here for qb preasures, but wynn and daniels with griffin were supposed to do it. DE is just a glaring need, wynn didnt do all that great with the run giving some big yards this season and if he cant get sacks either, its time to go IMO

I'm all for signing a good DE if we can find one, but I think it's a 2nd or 3rd priority behind the O-line and depth at WR.

I think we have the fewest problems on defense. IF we needed to improve anything on D it would definitely be the DE position, but I'd spend picks and money on the O-line long before that.

Has the D let us down a few times this year? Sure, but any D will. It's the offense that his really be the most inconsistent element.

[diehardskin2982]

Sign Strong Safety Adam Archuleta to go along with Sean Taylor in the backfield

Oline I'd rather have quality Vets who are used to the speed of the NFL. Dline I'd go through the draft

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well, that is a lot of priorities you list there.

I agree, I think there are upgrades to be made over Reynaldo Wynn. But I think he's better than he gets credit for. Not much in the way of pass rushing, but he's huge at stopping the run. Plus the leadership and locker room presence should not be ignored.

It's just that we might not be able to address all 4 of the priorities you listed with quality players. I think we all agree that a WR is desperately needed. The ability to grab a big-time starting DE who can rush the passer will depend largely on our salary cap space. Remember, DEs like that are expensive.

Wynn's arm fracture could help decide his fate, who knows. But if we're faced with salary cap constraints, my priorities go in this order:

1) WR
2) O-Line depth
3) Nickel CB
4) DE

I like your analysis. I'd still argue that O-line is more important than WR, but I understand that's highly debateable.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I like your analysis. I'd still argue that O-line is more important than WR, but I understand that's highly debateable.

Yeah I wouldn't say the line needs help before the WRs. Keep in mind we have 5 starters in place along the line who have played together and turned in a solid year this year when they were all healthy. Remember Portis's 5 straight 100-yard games? Credit goes to the O-line on that one, especially Randy Thomas. Once he got hurt, Portis struggled. And so did the entire offense.

I think we need depth along the line. But we are in desperate need of another threat down the field. He doesn't need to be a TO or Randy Moss. But he needs to be better than James Thrash or Taylor Jacobs.

Reggie Wayne would be ideal, because he runs TREMENDOUS routes and gets separation with quick cuts. But he's expensive. We at least need somebody to come in and take attention off Moss. Patten was taking attention away from Moss, and I think he'll have a better year next year. But we need a 3rd guy. If Wayne can't be obtained, David Givens is a good target, he's another good route-runner.

[Schneed10]

I'd add that a bulldozer at TE would help us too. Someone who can really lay the lumber in run blocking.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah I wouldn't say the line needs help before the WRs. Keep in mind we have 5 starters in place along the line who have played together and turned in a solid year this year when they were all healthy. Remember Portis's 5 straight 100-yard games? Credit goes to the O-line on that one, especially Randy Thomas. Once he got hurt, Portis struggled. And so did the entire offense.

I think we need depth along the line. But we are in desperate need of another threat down the field. He doesn't need to be a TO or Randy Moss. But he needs to be better than James Thrash or Taylor Jacobs.

Reggie Wayne would be ideal, because he runs TREMENDOUS routes and gets separation with quick cuts. But he's expensive. We at least need somebody to come in and take attention off Moss. Patten was taking attention away from Moss, and I think he'll have a better year next year. But we need a 3rd guy. If Wayne can't be obtained, David Givens is a good target, he's another good route-runner.

Ok, you've convinced me I'll concede that we need depth along the O-line more than we need to replace players. I guess I'm happy with the O-line we have, I just want to seem them play like they did that 5-game stretch for the whole SEASON. We'd be unstoppable.

I definitely like Givens, his routes are impressive. Wayne seems like a long shot.

Anyone here for Eric Moulds? I know he had the incident with Mularkey this season but I don't think that was his fault at all, just Mularkey being an ass. I definitely do NOT want a "superstar" player with the superstar attitude. That's why I liked Patten or Givens or Wayne - humble, professional guys who produce.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Ok, you've convinced me I'll concede that we need depth along the O-line more than we need to replace players. I guess I'm happy with the O-line we have, I just want to seem them play like they did that 5-game stretch for the whole SEASON. We'd be unstoppable.

I definitely like Givens, his routes are impressive. Wayne seems like a long shot.

Anyone here for Eric Moulds? I know he had the incident with Mularkey this season but I don't think that was his fault at all, just Mularkey being an ass. I definitely do NOT want a "superstar" player with the superstar attitude. That's why I liked Patten or Givens or Wayne - humble, professional guys who produce.

I think Moulds would perform reasonably well. But he'd be expensive I think. He's had a couple season worthy of superstar status. If he were affordable, I'd welcome him.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'd add that a bulldozer at TE would help us too. Someone who can really lay the lumber in run blocking.

LOL, when we had the #25 pick I really really wanted them to take Heath Miller TE from VA. I watched him yesterday in Pittsburgh, he's a certified bad ass. Can you imagine what defenses would face with both him and Cooley in the game? I mean, defenses would have no idea if we were gonna run or pass. Oh well, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts.....

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

LOL, when we had the #25 pick I really really wanted them to take Heath Miller TE from VA. I watched him yesterday in Pittsburgh, he's a certified bad ass. Can you imagine what defenses would face with both him and Cooley in the game? I mean, defenses would have no idea if we were gonna run or pass. Oh well, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts.....

Miller would have been a good addition for sure. Hopefully Campbell turns out to be worth the pick, it will take a while to find out. The Campbell selection was designed to be an investment in our long-term future. Hopefully he brings us stability once Brunell is gone.

[offiss]

Personally I really feel we missed the boat with last years draft, although I really like Rogers I feel we would have been better served as a team as a whole if we traded down and drafted more players. Or at least used the pick we used on Campbell to trade down at the time and pick up more players.

We have 3 QB's and a lot of holes to fill, and I can't say I have a whole lot of confidence that we will address any real needs with this draft.

Rabach is nothing special, we should have drafted Chris Spencer last year, I aslo feel Dockery is nothing more than a backup, Dockery is to slow, and Rabach is to weak.

I would also address our return game we need a bonified return man.

a punter, a kicker, we really have a lot of needs and so few picks, and we haven't shown any ability to find talent in the later rounds, I am not really exited about the upcoming draft as I usually am.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by offiss

Personally I really feel we missed the boat with last years draft, although I really like Rogers I feel we would have been better served as a team as a whole if we traded down and drafted more players. Or at least used the pick we used on Campbell to trade down at the time and pick up more players.

We have 3 QB's and a lot of holes to fill, and I can't say I have a whole lot of confidence that we will address any real needs with this draft.

Rabach is nothing special, we should have drafted Chris Spencer last year, I aslo feel Dockery is nothing more than a backup, Dockery is to slow, and Rabach is to weak.

I would also address our return game we need a bonified return man.

a punter, a kicker, we really have a lot of needs and so few picks, and we haven't shown any ability to find talent in the later rounds, I am not really exited about the upcoming draft as I usually am.

And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops. Woulda coulda shoulda.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well, that is a lot of priorities you list there.

I agree, I think there are upgrades to be made over Reynaldo Wynn. But I think he's better than he gets credit for. Not much in the way of pass rushing, but he's huge at stopping the run. Plus the leadership and locker room presence should not be ignored.

It's just that we might not be able to address all 4 of the priorities you listed with quality players. I think we all agree that a WR is desperately needed. The ability to grab a big-time starting DE who can rush the passer will depend largely on our salary cap space. Remember, DEs like that are expensive.

Wynn's arm fracture could help decide his fate, who knows. But if we're faced with salary cap constraints, my priorities go in this order:

1) WR
2) O-Line depth
3) Nickel CB
4) DE

If Renaldo Wynn's cap number is manageable, I'd say sure, keep him around for rotations, but he is by no means a full time starter at DE. Being able to apply pressure to the quarterback without blitzing is an incredible advantage, and this organization has ignored that position for way too long. Also, the "leadership in the lockerroom" thing is overrated. I've heard that from players -- the head coach is responsible for leadership -- no one else.

Certainly, this team as far as it's draft capability cannot address every single area I mentioned. I think they represent the team's top needs, and the best player at our spot in the second round will probably fall at one of those positions. I imagine wide receiver will be addressed through free agency, if our cap experts are able to figure out a way to make it happen. I haven't given up on David Patten, either. For whatever reason, it just seemed that he and Brunell didn't get a chance to find that cohesive rhythym as quickly as it materialized with Santana Moss. While I'd love to see Reggie Wayne in burgundy and gold, he'e going to be top dollar, the most coveted free agent on the market by far. All of this tends to indicate that an upgrade at WR will be more subtle.

It's all going to depend on who's left by the time we pick in the 2nd round.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I am a firm believer in Madden's old saying that "it all starts with the line." Fans seem SO inclined to go after the next WR with a shitty attitude or the next superstar player. Maybe it's watching too many Sportscenter highlights or playing too much fantasy football where the line doesn't matter, but all those highlights and all those amazing stats, catches, runs and players only happen be cause the line got it done first. On a VERY few occasions will a player do something incredible when the line breaks down, but that is the major exception, NOT the rule. Clinton Portis is nothing if he's got no hole to hit. Mark Brunell or even Peyton Manning are just big targets if they've got no protection.

I agree, it all starts with the line. But by the same token, the best pass protection an O-line can offer won't matter if you're wide receivers can't get open. With James Thrash and Taylor Jacobs in the lineup while Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels were healthy, this was painfully obvious.

[Beemnseven]

Regarding the tight end position, Joe Gibbs has always preferred glorified linemen at tight end who block rather than catch, as opposed to Tony Gonzales or Heath Miller. Not saying they can't block, but Gibbs' offense prefers someone like Ron Middleton.

That can be addressed through undrafted free agency on the cheap.

[redrock-skins]

Any chance we could get Reggie Wayne or would that break our budget?