Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion

FRPLG · 12-29-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RMSkins

Who exactly do you have playing o-line for us next year? I realize our line sucks, but you can't just get rid of all of our o-lineman. If we got rid of all of those guys the only o-lineman we have left are Dockery and Rinehart (assuming Samuels retires) so who exactly fills the other 7-8 spots? I know we're going to draft a few o-lineman and sign some FA's, but who says that they're going to work out?

The only guy on our team that should be sniffing starting on opening day next year in Dock...and he's only average.

Samuels is done
Rabach is awful...AWFUL
Thomas is done
RT...we haven't had a decent RT since when? Maybe '06. Jansen was a shell for years.

Williams and Jones might be decent backups but ultimately if either is in the mix to start next year we're in trouble again.

mlmdub130 · 12-29-2009, 03:41 PM

Carlos Rogers keep trade if possible
Casey Rabachnot sure, want him gone but could use him
Byron Westbrookdid they think his name would make him a good player? gone
Rocky McIntoshmust keep
Todd Yoderkeep if possible no big deal if we can't though
Hunter Smithif someone better comes along get them, to injury prone
Randy Thomas retire
Stephon Heyeri hear safeway is hiring baggers
Lorenzo Alexanderkeeper, looking great on special teams
Phillip Danielsshould retire if not cut him
Kedric Golstonkeep
Anthony Montgomerygone
Renaldo Wynnseriously, love you naldo but hang em up already
Will Montgomerygone
Chris Wilsoncould care less either way doesn't really hurt or help us
Reed Doughtykeep, solid player
Matt Sinclairgone
Richard Bartelpack your bags
Marcus Mason?it's been real marcus but your gone
Quinton Ganther?keep, showing lots of positives and few negatives so far
Levi Jones?keep
Mike Williams?make that call after the offseason

SFREDSKIN · 12-29-2009, 03:53 PM

These are the only guys worth keeping from the list.

Carlos Rogers
Rocky McIntosh
Hunter Smith
Lorenzo Alexander
Kedric Golston
Anthony Montgomery
Chris Wilson
Reed Doughty
Marcus Mason
Levi Jones
Mike Williams

Slingin Sammy 33 · 12-29-2009, 04:03 PM

Carlos Rogers - RFA, Keep (try to trade him)
Casey Rabach - Gone
Byron Westbrook - Gone
Rocky McIntosh - Keep
Todd Yoder - Gone
Hunter Smith - Keep
Randy Thomas - Gone, Retire
Stephon Heyer - Keep, backup depth
Lorenzo Alexander - Keep
Phillip Daniels - Gone
Kedric Golston - Keep
Anthony Montgomery - Keep (look to trade him)
Renaldo Wynn - Gone, Retire
Will Montgomery - Gone, thankfully
Chris Wilson - Keep
Reed Doughty - Keep
Matt Sinclair - meh, Gone
Richard Bartel - meh, Gone
Marcus Mason - Gone
Quinton Ganther - Keep
Levi Jones - Gone
Mike Williams - Gone

I believe, (looking at the Texans since Kyle Shanahan will be our OC and Alex Gibbs may be our OL coach) that the OL will be completely overhauled with more athletic, quicker lineman. Probably none over 315. We will likely run a true Zone Blocking scheme with a lot of cutting by the OL.

RMSkins · 12-29-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

The only guy on our team that should be sniffing starting on opening day next year in Dock...and he's only average.

Samuels is done
Rabach is awful...AWFUL
Thomas is done
RT...we haven't had a decent RT since when? Maybe '06. Jansen was a shell for years.

Williams and Jones might be decent backups but ultimately if either is in the mix to start next year we're in trouble again.

I agree with you, but the reality is we need 9-10 o-lineman on the opening day roster. Dockery and Rinehart fill two spots. I can't see us bringing in more than 4-5 lineman through the draft/fa and assuming they all make the team brings us to 6-7 spots. Who fills the other 2-3? We're going to need to keep at least 2-3 of our current o-lineman not named Dockery and Rinehart.

Paintrain · 12-29-2009, 04:39 PM

Carlos Rogers-Tender and trade
Casey Rabach-Yes
Byron Westbrook-Yes
Rocky McIntosh-Yes
Todd Yoder-No
Hunter Smith-Yes, but I don't think he's a free agent
Randy Thomas-No
Stephon Heyer-No
Lorenzo Alexander-Yes
Phillip Daniels-No
Kedric Golston-Yes
Anthony Montgomery-No
Renaldo Wynn-No
Will Montgomery-No
Chris Wilson-Yes
Reed Doughty-No
Matt Sinclair-No
Richard Bartel-No
Marcus Mason-No
Quinton Ganther-Yes
Levi Jones-Yes as a backup or at RT
Mike Williams-Yes as a backup G

JoeRedskin · 12-29-2009, 04:51 PM

Carlos Rogers: Tender at 1st round; Decide what defensive system we are going to play - keep or trade based on that.

Casey Rabach - Bye
Byron Westbrook - Bye
Rocky McIntosh - Tender at 2nd round. Keep
Todd Yoder - Not necessary, but if we are going to keep 3 TE's fine. Again, let's get a decision on what kind of offense we are going to run.
Hunter Smith - Keep, he's the best offensive weapon we've got.
Randy Thomas - Bye
Stephon Heyer - Bye
Lorenzo Alexander - Keep. (Can we get a team of Lorenzo's?)
Phillip Daniels - Bye
Kedric Golston - Keep (See Lorenzo comment)
Anthony Montgomery - Bye
Renaldo Wynn - Bye
Will Montgomery - Bye
Chris Wilson - Keep; play at SLB, move Rak to the line full time
Reed Doughty - Keep
Matt Sinclair - Bye
Richard Bartel - Bye (who?)
Marcus Mason - Bye
Quinton Ganthel - Keep at minimal price
Levi Jones - Keep
Mike Williams - Bye

CultBrennan59 · 12-29-2009, 05:06 PM

Keep:
McIntosh
Hunter smith
Levi Jones
one or two of the 3 DT's probably lorenzo, then I don't care about the other 2

GridIron26 · 12-29-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Carlos Rogers - RFA, Keep (try to trade him)
Casey Rabach - Gone
Byron Westbrook - Gone
Rocky McIntosh - Keep
Todd Yoder - Gone
Hunter Smith - Keep
Randy Thomas - Gone, Retire
Stephon Heyer - Keep, backup depth
Lorenzo Alexander - Keep
Phillip Daniels - Gone
Kedric Golston - Keep
Anthony Montgomery - Keep (look to trade him)
Renaldo Wynn - Gone, Retire
Will Montgomery - Gone, thankfully
Chris Wilson - Keep
Reed Doughty - Keep
Matt Sinclair - meh, Gone
Richard Bartel - meh, Gone
Marcus Mason - Gone
Quinton Ganther - Keep
Levi Jones - Gone
Mike Williams - Gone
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I agree with most of this; although I would like to try retain Levi Jones as RT, but not guaranteed starter though.. Have a rookie and Jones (and FA?) compete for #1 spot.. And that is if Jones accepts the role..

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Carlos Rogers: Tender at 1st round; Decide what defensive system we are going to play - keep or trade based on that.

I actually like this idea; we could use the pick to draft new CB or FS if there is good one available?

Longtimefan · 12-29-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Carlos Rogers Keep (try to trade him)
Casey Rabach Gone
Byron Westbrook Gone
Rocky McIntosh Keep (try to trade him)
Todd Yoder Gone
Hunter Smith Keep
Randy Thomas Gone
Stephon Heyer Gone
Lorenzo Alexander Keep
Phillip Daniels Gone
Kedric Golston Keep
Anthony Montgomery Keep (look to trade him)
Renaldo Wynn Gone
Will Montgomery Gone
Chris Wilson Keep
Reed Doughty Keep
Matt Sinclair Gone
Richard Bartel Gone
Marcus Mason? Keep Q or Mason
Quinton Ganther? Keep Q or Mason
Levi Jones? Keep
Mike Williams? Keep

I think Albright might also be a free agent, keep him for another year

I don't feel like typing all those names but I'll concur with your list. Ethan Albright has been negotiating his one year deals for the longest. If he's still wanted look for him to return.

skinsfaninok · 12-29-2009, 05:54 PM

They all suck!! Except rocky

RMSkins · 12-29-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Carlos Rogers: Tender at 1st round; Decide what defensive system we are going to play - keep or trade based on that.

Casey Rabach - Bye
Byron Westbrook - Bye
Rocky McIntosh - Tender at 2nd round. Keep
Todd Yoder - Not necessary, but if we are going to keep 3 TE's fine. Again, let's get a decision on what kind of offense we are going to run.
Hunter Smith - Keep, he's the best offensive weapon we've got.
Randy Thomas - Bye
Stephon Heyer - Bye
Lorenzo Alexander - Keep. (Can we get a team of Lorenzo's?)
Phillip Daniels - Bye
Kedric Golston - Keep (See Lorenzo comment)
Anthony Montgomery - Bye
Renaldo Wynn - Bye
Will Montgomery - Bye
Chris Wilson - Keep; play at SLB, move Rak to the line full time
Reed Doughty - Keep
Matt Sinclair - Bye
Richard Bartel - Bye (who?)
Marcus Mason - Bye
Quinton Ganthel - Keep at minimal price
Levi Jones - Keep
Mike Williams - Bye

Nobody is going to give us a 1st rounder for Carlos Rogers.

JoeRedskin · 12-29-2009, 06:30 PM

Pretty sure we can trade him for less than a first round regardless of our tender offer to him.

More than likely no one gives a first for him. Probably be lucky to get a 2nd. No harm in asking though.

GTripp0012 · 12-29-2009, 06:48 PM

Carlos Rogers Keep
Casey Rabach Leaves
Rocky McIntosh Keep
Todd Yoder Leaves
Hunter Smith Keep
Randy Thomas Keep
Stephon Heyer Keep
Lorenzo Alexander Keep
Phillip Daniels Leaves
Kedric Golston Leaves
Anthony Montgomery Keep
Renaldo Wynn Leaves
Will Montgomery Leaves
Chris Wilson Keep
Reed Doughty Leaves
Matt Sinclair Didn't know he was here
Richard Bartel Leaves
Marcus Mason Leaves
Quinton Ganther Leaves
Levi Jones Keep
Mike Williams Leaves

RMSkins · 12-29-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Pretty sure we can trade him for less than a first round regardless of our tender offer to him.

More than likely no one gives a first for him. Probably be lucky to get a 2nd. No harm in asking though.

Very true.

12-29-2009, 03:41 PM	#17
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Carlos Rogers keep trade if possible Casey Rabachnot sure, want him gone but could use him Byron Westbrookdid they think his name would make him a good player? gone Rocky McIntoshmust keep Todd Yoderkeep if possible no big deal if we can't though Hunter Smithif someone better comes along get them, to injury prone Randy Thomas retire Stephon Heyeri hear safeway is hiring baggers Lorenzo Alexanderkeeper, looking great on special teams Phillip Danielsshould retire if not cut him Kedric Golstonkeep Anthony Montgomerygone Renaldo Wynnseriously, love you naldo but hang em up already Will Montgomerygone Chris Wilsoncould care less either way doesn't really hurt or help us Reed Doughtykeep, solid player Matt Sinclairgone Richard Bartelpack your bags Marcus Mason?it's been real marcus but your gone Quinton Ganther?keep, showing lots of positives and few negatives so far Levi Jones?keep Mike Williams?make that call after the offseason __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-29-2009, 03:53 PM	#18
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion These are the only guys worth keeping from the list. Carlos Rogers Rocky McIntosh Hunter Smith Lorenzo Alexander Kedric Golston Anthony Montgomery Chris Wilson Reed Doughty Marcus Mason Levi Jones Mike Williams __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-29-2009, 04:03 PM	#19
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,347	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Carlos Rogers - RFA, Keep (try to trade him) Casey Rabach - Gone Byron Westbrook - Gone Rocky McIntosh - Keep Todd Yoder - Gone Hunter Smith - Keep Randy Thomas - Gone, Retire Stephon Heyer - Keep, backup depth Lorenzo Alexander - Keep Phillip Daniels - Gone Kedric Golston - Keep Anthony Montgomery - Keep (look to trade him) Renaldo Wynn - Gone, Retire Will Montgomery - Gone, thankfully Chris Wilson - Keep Reed Doughty - Keep Matt Sinclair - meh, Gone Richard Bartel - meh, Gone Marcus Mason - Gone Quinton Ganther - Keep Levi Jones - Gone Mike Williams - Gone I believe, (looking at the Texans since Kyle Shanahan will be our OC and Alex Gibbs may be our OL coach) that the OL will be completely overhauled with more athletic, quicker lineman. Probably none over 315. We will likely run a true Zone Blocking scheme with a lot of cutting by the OL. __________________ "I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

12-29-2009, 04:39 PM	#21
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 53 Posts: 5,006	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Carlos Rogers-Tender and trade Casey Rabach-Yes Byron Westbrook-Yes Rocky McIntosh-Yes Todd Yoder-No Hunter Smith-Yes, but I don't think he's a free agent Randy Thomas-No Stephon Heyer-No Lorenzo Alexander-Yes Phillip Daniels-No Kedric Golston-Yes Anthony Montgomery-No Renaldo Wynn-No Will Montgomery-No Chris Wilson-Yes Reed Doughty-No Matt Sinclair-No Richard Bartel-No Marcus Mason-No Quinton Ganther-Yes Levi Jones-Yes as a backup or at RT Mike Williams-Yes as a backup G __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

12-29-2009, 04:51 PM	#22
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Carlos Rogers: Tender at 1st round; Decide what defensive system we are going to play - keep or trade based on that. Casey Rabach - Bye Byron Westbrook - Bye Rocky McIntosh - Tender at 2nd round. Keep Todd Yoder - Not necessary, but if we are going to keep 3 TE's fine. Again, let's get a decision on what kind of offense we are going to run. Hunter Smith - Keep, he's the best offensive weapon we've got. Randy Thomas - Bye Stephon Heyer - Bye Lorenzo Alexander - Keep. (Can we get a team of Lorenzo's?) Phillip Daniels - Bye Kedric Golston - Keep (See Lorenzo comment) Anthony Montgomery - Bye Renaldo Wynn - Bye Will Montgomery - Bye Chris Wilson - Keep; play at SLB, move Rak to the line full time Reed Doughty - Keep Matt Sinclair - Bye Richard Bartel - Bye (who?) Marcus Mason - Bye Quinton Ganthel - Keep at minimal price Levi Jones - Keep Mike Williams - Bye __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

12-29-2009, 05:06 PM	#23
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Keep: McIntosh Hunter smith Levi Jones one or two of the 3 DT's probably lorenzo, then I don't care about the other 2

12-29-2009, 05:54 PM	#26
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 37 Posts: 35,999	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion They all suck!! Except rocky __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

12-29-2009, 06:30 PM	#28
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Pretty sure we can trade him for less than a first round regardless of our tender offer to him. More than likely no one gives a first for him. Probably be lucky to get a 2nd. No harm in asking though. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

12-29-2009, 06:48 PM	#29
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins Free Agents not named Jason Discussion Carlos Rogers Keep Casey Rabach Leaves Rocky McIntosh Keep Todd Yoder Leaves Hunter Smith Keep Randy Thomas Keep Stephon Heyer Keep Lorenzo Alexander Keep Phillip Daniels Leaves Kedric Golston Leaves Anthony Montgomery Keep Renaldo Wynn Leaves Will Montgomery Leaves Chris Wilson Keep Reed Doughty Leaves Matt Sinclair Didn't know he was here Richard Bartel Leaves Marcus Mason Leaves Quinton Ganther Leaves Levi Jones Keep Mike Williams Leaves __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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