Should Augusta National Admit Women?

[12thMan]

Just to be clear, I don't think anyone's advocating for the gov't to intervene and I'm 110% certain they won't and don't have any desire to do so. But the question on most people's minds is how can Augusta National and the Masters, a prominent sporting event and institution in it's own right, not reflect today's America in it's membership and values.

Look, it is what it is. It's not like Agusta sprung this policy on everyone a week ago. It's been in place since it's inception. As long as they're not openly hostile towards women or marginalizing their role in society, (which one could fairly argue by denying membership they are doing just that) then you know what, they can do what they please. Like I said earlier, I feel what you have here is a bunch of good old boys that love their golf, bourbon and cigars and are still holding onto the America from way back when. It's not unreasonable to say this is just as much about preserving legacy, as weird as that may sound.

The real pressure to change will probably come from within. Perhaps an insanely influential or wealthy woman connected on the inside will be the catalyst is my guess. Nothing like having a woman shame you into changing your ways. lol

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Also useful way to decide what kind of people you want to associate with.

Me? I'm going somewhere where they have women and 21st Century attitudes, eff Augusta!

21st-century attitude?

No one is demanding womens' organizations adopt the same flexibility and stray from their founding purpose/vision.

It has nothing to do with being old-fashioned or "stone age"...they have their own PRIVATE club and can run it however they want.

If Augusta is forced to admit women, we need to also apply the same standard to everything...eliminate race-based memberships and scholarships, force all womens' colleges to go co-ed, etc.

If they want a golf club just for women, NO ONE is stopping them from scraping up the money to start one.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

21st-century attitude?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

No one is demanding womens' organizations adopt the same flexibility and stray from their founding purpose/vision.

This is a club, not an organization.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

It has nothing to do with being old-fashioned or "stone age"...they have their own PRIVATE club and can run it however they want.

Yes, I've already stated that.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

If Augusta is forced to admit women, we need to also apply the same standard to everything...

Why? We're discussing gender, not 'everything'.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

eliminate race-based memberships and scholarships, force all womens' colleges to go co-ed, etc.

Bit of a leap from gender to race. You can change your gender, you can't change your race.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

If they want a golf club just for women, NO ONE is stopping them from scraping up the money to start one.

Yeah, they could have a bake sale or make sandwiches.....

[dmek25]

ill ask the obvious, if Augusta was whites only, would they have to admit minorities?

[Monksdown]

Being a sexist culturally is still somewhat more palatable socially than being a racist.

[Monkeydad]

Time to ban the "Hair Club for Men" too.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Time to ban the "Hair Club for Men" too.

Dont ban it, just open it up. Unfortunately i've known some women that could use the product.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ill ask the obvious, if Augusta was whites only, would they have to admit minorities?

Obviously they wouldn't HAVE to admit minorities but what credible names would they draw to the event? And what network would carry it? No one. They would cease to exist I would think. Tiger Woods wouldn't risk his brand playing in such a tournament and neither would the other elite golfers.

I know it's a hypothetical, but it would be a terrible business decision on their part to put that out there.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ill ask the obvious, if Augusta was whites only, would they have to admit minorities?

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So yet AGAIN, it's OK for everyone to have something of their own except white males.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

So yet AGAIN, it's OK for everyone to have something of their own except white males.

Yes, except rhythm, we can't have that either.

[los panda]

yes

[SmootSmack]

So I haven't really been following but did Augusta decide then not to extend to the IBM CEO (a woman) membership, as they have with other major Masters sponsors' CEOs?

[saden1]

One of the life lessons I learned from my father is to stay away from places where you are not welcomed/wanted. Seeing how they are a private club they are free to do as they please and so am I. I don't watch the Masters, I don't buy crap from them...they are a nobody to me and that's they way it will stay with or without admittance of female members.

If people are upset they should be upset with the PGA for holding an official PGA Event there.

[RedskinRat]

I doubt that Augusta will have problems attracting another sponsor.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So I haven't really been following but did Augusta decide then not to extend to the IBM CEO (a woman) membership, as they have with other major Masters sponsors' CEOs?

IBM's Female CEO to Attend Masters - Debate swirls over all-male Augusta National Golf Club