There goes the neighborhood - Tunisia Edition

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Hog1

No, that is not the problem with me, the people that I know and I do not believe this country as a whole. I doubt that is the problem in the UK, France as well. And at what time does discrimination and intolerance open the door for mass murder.....Repeatedly and unendingly in the name of Allah??
I am tired of the terrorist nature of the Jihadist hiding behind some idiotic pretense of the Islamic religion while they bomb, execute and maim innocents (Oh and I left out "behead" on the internet) without regard to woman...and even children. That is the problem with the......Peaceful nature of the Muslim....
Do all Muslims fit in that category...NO. I am sure they are but a small percentage, but they are being allowed to speak and act for the many millions that are truly peace loving.
I personally could care less who you are or what you believe. Be a good neighbor, Don't kill people, Don't F.. with anybody...have a nice day.

I agree that Islamic terrorism is a terrible scourge.

But what was mentioned above is something different: local neighborhood anti-Coptic repression in Egypt and similar realities. This problem is structurally similar to mosque burnings in Tennessee. It is a problem of local intolerance rather than global terrorism.

In the end I agree with you. Violence resulting from religious intolerance has no place in any society.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by lotus

i agree that islamic terrorism is a terrible scourge.

But what was mentioned above is something different: Local neighborhood anti-coptic repression in egypt and similar realities. This problem is structurally similar to mosque burnings in tennessee. It is a problem of local intolerance rather than global terrorism.

In the end i agree with you. violence resulting from religious intolerance has no place in any society.

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httr.....

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As Hog1 mentioned, all Old Testament verses you're quoting. Nothing but contrasts in the New Testament.

Try being a Jew or Christian in the Muslim "democracies". Hint; do a little research on the Copts in Egypt.

Copts in Egypt are nothing like evangelicals in America. Two totally different religions.

[Gary84Clark]

This is a nut case thread in my opinion.

allow me to quote Lil Wayne Carter IV "gorillas in suits, the holy war the spiritual troops, fighting over the mythical truth, drowning in the political soup, they shoot missile and nukes, taking out such a pivotal group, the body count is the physical proof, and they thought drugs were killing the youth" hahahaha

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Wrong then...........Wrong now....

How exactly is it wrong?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

How exactly is it wrong?

That persecution and violence in the name of religion will always be wrong.....

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That persecution and violence in the name of religion will always be wrong.....

Ahh...misunderstood what you were saying.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

You realize that the old testament is viewed as a "Historical" record and the New is viewed as the information with which to live your life......

you realize that randomly quoting the koran or whatnot and assuming literal interpretation and then using selective interpretation on the other holy book is is a bit convenient though...

look! they're saying awful things! I mean, we say awful things too, but we don't mean it.

besides, if you're looking for muslim oppression of competing religions, you should cite spain where they started with equality and then systematically took away all the rights of those that would not convert. Funny that that's the same country that created the inquisition - I guess religious tolerance just wasn't part of the local geography.

Intolerance is intolerance and it's wrong regardless of who's in charge. saying islam isn't compatible with democracy is a real stretch and unless you've actually studied a koran or go to a mosque, I'd be careful about randomly couched quotes with no context of whether they're widely taught by the moderates of that religion.

[That Guy]

by the way, when the black plague hit europe, do you know the first thing they did?




they started killing jews. Those christians just can't be trusted :P

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

Intolerance is intolerance and it's wrong regardless of who's in charge. saying islam isn't compatible with democracy is a real stretch and unless you've actually studied a koran or go to a mosque, I'd be careful about randomly couched quotes with no context of whether they're widely taught by the moderates of that religion.

A lesson someone here never learns.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you realize that randomly quoting the koran or whatnot and assuming literal interpretation and then using selective interpretation on the other holy book is is a bit convenient though...

look! they're saying awful things! I mean, we say awful things too, but we don't mean it.

besides, if you're looking for muslim oppression of competing religions, you should cite spain where they started with equality and then systematically took away all the rights of those that would not convert. Funny that that's the same country that created the inquisition - I guess religious tolerance just wasn't part of the local geography.

Intolerance is intolerance and it's wrong regardless of who's in charge. saying islam isn't compatible with democracy is a real stretch and unless you've actually studied a koran or go to a mosque, I'd be careful about randomly couched quotes with no context of whether they're widely taught by the moderates of that religion.

I believe you area bit confused as I have not actually quoted anything you warn me against.....and I can ASSURE you Sir I would never couch a quote.....either randomly or specifically.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I believe you area bit confused as I have not actually quoted anything you warn me against.....and I can ASSURE you Sir I would never couch a quote.....either randomly or specifically.

Yeah, I think that part of That Guy's otherwise fine post really was meant for Redskin Rat, not you.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

But it is also true that Muslims suffer intolerance and discrimination, sometimes violently, in France, the UK, the USA, and other "Christian" places. Religious intolerance is sadly ubiquitous. So the problem is not just Islam vs. democracy.

The difference in France, UK, and here is that people that perpetrate violence against others in the name of religion are treated as they should be....as criminals.

In many Muslim countries violence against those of other religions is sometimes either sanctioned by the gov't or purposely not investigated/prosecuted.

The problem is that unfortunately there are close-minded, hate-filled, and sometimes violent people everywhere.

Agree, very true and very unfortunate.

[saden1]

When did democracy become synonymous with christianity and the west? Did I miss the class where they taught the greeks were jesus worshiping and blond blue eyed much like him?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The difference in France, UK, and here is that people that perpetrate violence against others in the name of religion are treated as they should be....as criminals.

In many Muslim countries violence against those of other religions is sometimes either sanctioned by the gov't or purposely not investigated/prosecuted.

Agree, very true and very unfortunate.

I agree with the part about problems with government collusion.

Ex-regimes in both Egypt and Tunisia had reps for repressing Islam. Once the regimes fell, a great deal of pro-Islamic emotion was released. Some of this emotion is wholesome but some is dysfunctional.

For example, the feeling among some Muslims in Egypt was that Mubarak went easy on Copts and several Copts had seats in Mubarak's government. So to hate Mubarak, to some people, is to hate Copts. To erase Mubarak's legacy is to erase Copts. The same reality exists for Egypt's Jews.

However, in both Egypt and Tunisia there are sizeable numbers of folks who prefer secular democracy to either an Iranian Islamic model or, in the cases we are discussing, mob rule by Islam. The Arab Spring revolts were driven more by a striving for democracy than they were driven by calls for Islamic government. As emotions settle, the questions will be less "How to we erase traces of Mubarak or Ben Ali?" and more "How do we create a beneficial new society?" There is every reason to believe that moderates and toleration will then gain more voice and more power and the current ugliness will subside.