Post Indy Game Thoughts

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.

I dont expect much improved play along the Oline outside of Trent, but I think at TE and especially at WR play has/will continue to be stronger. Because of injuries RB I think you havent seen a step forward, but at least Alfred Morris has sustain an above average attack on the ground. That is, if Kyle continues to run the ball, if he doesnt then like several times last year, you will see no improvement. I certainly think its been pretty vanilla with the playcalling thus far. We certainly havent seen much.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.

Haven't been around the forums as much as I have in the past, but I am glad I can come on here and get a good laugh from Gtripp's insight of our teams situation still.

Good laugh..

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm in the "the Colts will rebound" club.

With that said, their defense has similar weaknesses to ours: too many guys running free in the secondary. Not enough Jerraud Powers and Antoine Bethea's back there.

Now having seen all three preseason games, I don't have a good feel for the Redskins. The pass pressure, if anything, looks to be even fiercer than last year. And if that's a real observation, and not just something that looks like it in the preseason, it's not going to be that hard to develop quality players in the secondary.

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years. I think Griffin should provide an immediate upgrade at quarterback as some of Grossman's INTs from 2011 turn into sacks or throwaways this season. And Trent Williams looks like a completely different player. But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.

Tripp, couple thoughts on some rookies: Cousins, Gettis, and McRibeus? Also who would you start at the Z?

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Tripp, couple thoughts on some rookies: Cousins, Gettis, and McRibeus? Also who would you start at the Z?

I think LeRibeus has been awful.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Tripp, couple thoughts on some rookies: Cousins, Gettis, and McRibeus? Also who would you start at the Z?

I would start Hankerson and Moss and receiver, with Moss at the Z. Those are our two best receivers right now. If we still had Gaffney, then Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney would be our top three.

I'm still not convinced Josh Morgan is 100% back though. I think he could fall in nicely as an offensive contributor as he gets healthier.

I think it is best if Cousins doesn't see the field this year. I think very highly of him long term. You see Russell Wilson torching the Chiefs? Well: #1, I didn't think that was a fluke, and #2 I'd much rather have Cousins long term. I also think RG3 is getting saddled with a lot of unfair expectations that Cousins isn't. I think either Griffin or Cousins could theoretically be a winning quarterback with the 2014 Washington Redskins, but Griffin is going to have to handle the pressure of winning with a not-that-great 2012 Redskins team.

I haven't really taken time to grade LeRibeus on his week to week development in the preseason so I have no specific comment on him. Gettis I don't think projects as a starter long term, but I think he's as good as Maurice Hurt already, and he's got more room to improve.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I would start Hankerson and Moss and receiver, with Moss at the Z. Those are our two best receivers right now. If we still had Gaffney, then Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney would be our top three.

I'm still not convinced Josh Morgan is 100% back though. I think he could fall in nicely as an offensive contributor as he gets healthier.

What about Pierre Garcon?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

What about Pierre Garcon?

I feel like Hankerson is closer to breaking out than Garcon. Garcon is probably going to lead the 2012 Redskins in highlight reel plays made (he's a much better bet to take one to the house than Moss is), but I feel like over a full season of playing every down, he's likely to be exposed.

On the current roster, I'd say Hankerson, then Moss, then probably Garcon is third best. I think I'm more excited about getting Josh Morgan healthy than Garcon, but right now (early in the season), Garcon needs to be getting those reps.

[Bucket]

PG is our best WR on the team at the moment. There is a reason why RG3 keeps throwing his direction. I believe he's been targeted the most in preseason when the starters are out there.

I do think that Shanny's are babying RG3 at the moment and that could be because it's preseason and he's trying to evaluate others but besides the 3 long throws yesterday, there hasn't been a lot of long passes. RG3 threw 17 passes yesterday and didn't even throw for 100 yards.

I believe the same can be said about the other games as well. Game 2 he threw 14 for 50 yards?

A lot of underneath and short throws..

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

On the other hand, the more I see of the Redskins offense, the more I'm convinced that its just not all that different from either of the last two years.....But I feel like at 9 positions on the offense (everything except QB and LT), the Redskins aren't improved and in some cases have taken a step back.

I think the base offense will be the same.
But, judging by all the off-season training camp reports there are going to be some read option elements added to the offense.

I think removing Jammal Brown from the line-up is addition by subtraction.
Not that Polumbus is a world beater just that he's slightly better then Brown.
I think depth along the OL has improved.
I think WR is the area we've improved the most outside of QB.
A healthy Tana + Garcon imo is an improvement over an injured Moss and Gaffney.
Briscoe and Morgan improve the depth and provide some bigger targets and
whatever Hankerson can bring is a bonus.

I think the running game has taken a step back due to injury.
I think Helu was the most complete back on the roster and he might be out of action for awhile losing him was a huge loss.
I like Royster too but he's also banged up with a knee.
THT is coming off a knee.
We enter the season with only 1 100% healthy RB.

I agree that the offenses pieces haven't improved by much outside of QB.
But, the improvement an elite QB prospect can provide is huge.

[CultBrennan59]

Clay definitely isn't what he was when they went to the super bowl, but that in part is because Cullen Jenkins left so thats less other teams have to worry about in terms of blocking. And yes the Colts will be better than teams think, but still not the best team in that division.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Clay definitely isn't what he was when they went to the super bowl, but that in part is because Cullen Jenkins left so thats less other teams have to worry about in terms of blocking. And yes the Colts will be better than teams think, but still not the best team in that division.

No, he's an animal. 3 INTs and 9 pass defenses. I remember reading an article last year about how this could have been his best year yet.. Sacks don't tell the whole story (Orakpo).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by That Guy

it was a good showing against a BAD team. lots to like, but i still want to see it translate to the saints game

c'mon man don't be That Guy!

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

No he hasn't.

Look at his numbers
He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not even close to DWare, Suggs or Jared Allen.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Look at his numbers
He's a good player don't get me wrong but he's not even close to DWare, Suggs or Jared Allen.

Yep that's fair, but if I can get Matthews for Orakpo or Kerrigan, I don't hesitate.

[JoLo]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Yep that's fair, but if I can get Matthews for Orakpo or Kerrigan, I don't hesitate.

Nobody is in Ware's category. He is going to go down as the best 3-4 OLB in history when its all said and done. Fastest player to 100 sacks ever (he still needs half a sack). But Clay plays a different position then suggs, he might not put up as many sacks because Suggs comes from the blindside while Clay plays strong side. So Clay is doing much more pass coverage on Tight ends. Clays pass coverage is as good as it gets for a OLB in the nfl