Legality/Accuracy of DC speeding cameras:

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It takes more than some traffic cameras to create a true police state.

You're right. You also need a constant state of fear and perpetual war. You also need news / energy / newspaper conglomerates to tell the public how to think and feel. Throw in a sub par education system and I'd say if we're not there, we're damn close.

Tell me Matty. How many transactions can you make without a SSN these days?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You're right. You also need a constant state of fear and perpetual war. You also need news / energy / newspaper conglomerates to tell the public how to think and feel. Throw in a sub par education system and I'd say if we're not there, we're damn close.

Tell me Matty. How many transactions can you make without a SSN these days?

The federal government can't force you to use the SSN because it's not a national id. geez didn't you know that Trample? Yes i am being sarcastic, REAL ID is absolutely a form of a national ID.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You're right. You also need a constant state of fear and perpetual war. You also need news / energy / newspaper conglomerates to tell the public how to think and feel. Throw in a sub par education system and I'd say if we're not there, we're damn close.

Tell me Matty. How many transactions can you make without a SSN these days?

Damn you got me, SSN = police state.

I refuse to give mine out all the time.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It takes more than some traffic cameras to create a true police state.

True, it also takes police having the right to stop you without a clear demonstration that you were breaking a law. Oh wait, listen to the Md delegates argue for the right to stop someone for reading their cellphone. The police officer only has to feel that the person was reading a text.

It also takes a government having the ability to listen in to private conversations - should i mention the "patriot" act

I am not implying we are a totalitarian society yet, or even in the next 20 years. But we certainly have given up a lot of individual freedoms that once were bastions of United States rights.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

True, it also takes police having the right to stop you without a clear demonstration that you were breaking a law. Oh wait, listen to the Md delegates argue for the right to stop someone for reading their cellphone. The police officer only has to feel that the person was reading a text.

It also takes a government having the ability to listen in to private conversations - should i mention the "patriot" act

I am not implying we are a totalitarian society yet, or even in the next 20 years. But we certainly have given up a lot of individual freedoms that once were bastions of United States rights.

We've certainly moved in that direction thanks to 9/11 and the early 2000's fear mongering.

I miss the terror alerts.

We're still not in the ballpark with communist China though, let's be real.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We've certainly moved in that direction thanks to 9/11 and the early 2000's fear mongering.

I miss the terror alerts.

We're still not in the ballpark with communist China though, let's be real.

No we are not. But I certainly am making the slippery slope argument, even it may take several years or a few decades but it is certainly head that way. and I forgot, I gotta go on a plane tomorrow, don't get me started on the airport stuff.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It takes more than some traffic cameras to create a true police state.

indeed

but give them an inch...

[Trample the Elderly]

We used to make fun of the USSR back in the old days. They had a KGB agent on every corner watching everyone. These days we have cameras on the corners and yet people still feel free.

Forcing people to buy health insurance from the government or get fined or imprisoned is totalitarian. There is no way around it. You can paint rosy pictures all you want. The English used to force opium on the Chinese. How long do y'all think it will be before they force us on soma? I don't want the government putting my records online.

Why wasn't anyone sent to prison after 9/11? You can't tell me that wasn't criminal negligence.

One day not long ago, I woke up and felt like a stranger in my own country. I'm not upset. It's just business. It was never mine to begin with. I'm just here with a red pill in one hand and a blue pill in the other.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

We used to make fun of the USSR back in the old days. They had a KGB agent on every corner watching everyone. These days we have cameras on the corners and yet people still feel free.

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how's life in the UK?

[saden1]

In Seattle they capture video of you not just a picture or two and they show it to you if you decided to go to court to challenge the ticket. Out here your best bet is to just pay the fine.

[budw38]

Legal Definition of Due Process This link might not be helpful in your case ... but, you can argue that were denied your right to dur process . 1) on 3-01-10 a camera took a picture of your car , but you did not receive the tickett until 3-17-10 . Because you did not receive notice early enough , you could not show that you were not at the scene of " violation " , nor were you given time to interview witness/s that would / could help you build a case , defence that 1) you were not at the scene , or that the camera may have not been working properly . I read a few years ago that an Attorney in < NY I believe > won 100 % of the cases against these cameras ? Home - Fighting Red Light Camera Tickets How To Beat Traffic Camera Tickets good luck

[dblanch66]

if you received the tickets in the mail, just don't respond. Can't prove you got them.. I live in AZ and these cameras are everywhere. got 3 tickets in one day. never paid a single one.

[Daseal]

Can anyone else chime in on this, I got confirmation that just paying the fines will hike up my insurance rates (from both the City of DC and my insurance company.) But what's cheaper, paying the fines and increased rates, or two days off work to fight this, and if I lose having the fines double + court costs.

To me, the whole guilty until proven innocent aspect of these tickets bothers me. That coupled with the fact that the cameras accuracy is questionable, at best. Tickets are given to an individual, not a vehicle.

I know the MN supreme court ruled these types of tickets unconstitutional, but that doesn't help me. I don't think ignoring them is an issue in DC.

Any more advice would be helpful.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Can anyone else chime in on this, I got confirmation that just paying the fines will hike up my insurance rates (from both the City of DC and my insurance company.) But what's cheaper, paying the fines and increased rates, or two days off work to fight this, and if I lose having the fines double + court costs.

To me, the whole guilty until proven innocent aspect of these tickets bothers me. That coupled with the fact that the cameras accuracy is questionable, at best. Tickets are given to an individual, not a vehicle.

I know the MN supreme court ruled these types of tickets unconstitutional, but that doesn't help me. I don't think ignoring them is an issue in DC.

Any more advice would be helpful.

wasn't the MN case about red lights? my friend got one and then mentioned it later on about the case.. unless there was a more recent one

doesn't mean that their argument isn't valid, since I don't know the details of it

[TheMalcolmConnection]

You're just going to be happier paying the fine. I just had something similar happen over an expired registration. Basically the odds of me saving money were 33% considering I could go and lose, pay court costs AND ticket or have him MAYBE drop the ticket and if I'm lucky just dismiss it.