2022 Midterms thread

[nonniey]

One thing I think is becoming apparent is the Dems really made an error on their focus on abortion. It highlighted that they are even more extreme than the extreme elements of the Republicans on this issue (and unlike Republicans it's all of them). They hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

One thing I think is becoming apparent is the Dems really made an error on their focus on abortion. It highlighted that they are even more extreme than the extreme elements of the Republicans on this issue (and unlike Republicans it's all of them). They hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.

Then have those red states put abortion up for vote.

No?

You dont want a repeat of what happened in Kansas .. where "we the people" spoke and supported reasonable access to abortions?

All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Then have those red states put abortion up for vote.

No?

You dont want a repeat of what happened in Kansas .. where "we the people" spoke and supported reasonable access to abortions?

All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.

Except Dems aren't proposing reasonable access to abortions they've taken the most unpopular position that the Americans have on abortion - legalized elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy. Only 10% of the population supports that position.

As for putting it up to a vote I have no issues - legalized unrestricted abortions up 15 weeks and banning elective abortions after that period would easily win (Even in the bluest states).

Problem is getting people to understand what the proposals are. Did you know that Grahams proposal only banned late term elective abortions? He sold it poorly and most Americans thought it was a broad abortion ban.

But back to the original thesis. Dems were foolish to make abortion the main focus of their overall campaign. Skilled Republican candidates (by no means a majority are skilled) were able to disarm that line of effort by pointing out the Dems were even more extreme on the issue (Rubio being a good example in his debate with Demmings). The Dems should have focused on election denial and support for Trump and his attempt to overthrow the Republic.

[sdskinsfan2001]

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Except Dems aren't proposing reasonable access to abortions they've taken the most unpopular position that the Americans have on abortion - legalized elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy. .

That is republican spin , it's simply not true. You seem fine that a republican president stack the court and changed existing law that was established 50 years ago.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

That is republican spin , it's simply not true. You seem fine that a republican president stack the court and changed existing law that was established 50 years ago.

Hey Giant proof is in the pudding the bill the Dems tried to pass (only 1 Dem opposed) and promises to pass in the future prevents any restrictions on elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy (and pays for them). That of course is way beyond what restrictions Roe prevented.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Except Dems aren't proposing reasonable access to abortions they've taken the most unpopular position that the Americans have on abortion - legalized elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy. Only 10% of the population supports that position.

As for putting it up to a vote I have no issues - legalized unrestricted abortions up 15 weeks and banning elective abortions after that period would easily win (Even in the bluest states).

Nonniey i respect your opinion bc usually its based in reality and logical and you put up some non-extremist articles so when you say something I accept it as true ... but here man, I dont see anyone supporting late term abortions unless its medically necessary to save the women.

Conservatives position is life starts at conception so I also dont believe that conservatives would support a 15 week limit.

Can you provide some trusted articles on dems wanting elective late term abortions? Articles on the bluest states like Alabama going along w 15 weeks and only medically necessary abortions after that?

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Nonniey i respect your opinion bc usually its based in reality and logical and you put up some non-extremist articles so when you say something I accept it as true ... but here man, I dont see anyone supporting late term abortions unless its medically necessary to save the women.

Conservatives position is life starts at conception so I also dont believe that conservatives would support a 15 week limit.

Can you provide some trusted articles on dems wanting elective late term abortions? Articles on the bluest states like Alabama going along w 15 weeks and only medically necessary abortions after that?

Except that is exactly what the Dems bill does- protects legalized elective abortions. They basically want to impose Vermont's law on the entire country. Roe versus Wade allowed states to put in limited restrictions after 24 weeks (in reality too limited in effect). The Dems want to prevent states from even those Roe permitted limitations. Less than 2% of all abortions are late term (after 15 weeks) or 10K-15K total. Unfortunately, it turns out most of those are elective. The Dems want to continue to allow those elective abortions to be done and specifically have drawn up legislation to protect that practice.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Then have those red states put abortion up for vote.

No?

You dont want a repeat of what happened in Kansas .. where "we the people" spoke and supported reasonable access to abortions?

All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.

I think everyone wants that actually, legislation…people voices to be heard.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

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All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.

Yeah, you are right there was 1 that voted against the bill. So almost all.

[SunnySide]

I see his signs in Montgomery County for County Executive. Most of them have this red lettering on top saying in big letters 'DEMOCRATS FOR"

Saw my pops sample MoCo ballot and hes a fucking republican.

How is that allowed?

I thought he was Dem.

I get that MoCo is blue so the Rs dont put their party on their signs .. but the "democrats for" is intentionally misleading.

if you know the people you are looking to lead arent for your policies .. maybe change your platform or move to where your opinion is shared by your county.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I see his signs in Montgomery County for County Executive. Most of them have this red lettering on top saying in big letters 'DEMOCRATS FOR"

Saw my pops sample MoCo ballot and hes a fucking republican.

How is that allowed?

I thought he was Dem.

I get that MoCo is blue so the Rs dont put their party on their signs .. but the "democrats for" is intentionally misleading.

if you know the people you are looking to lead arent for your policies .. maybe change your platform or move to where your opinion is shared by your county.

Does he believe in God too?

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Does he believe in God too?

god(s) .. all 2 million or however many humans created to date are fake.

Please dont ask me about your god, you wont like what I have to say.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Are you serious? You want to troll me with a god comment?

God, all 2 million of them, are made up bullshit by people who thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe.

I dont bash your god on here .. I do sometimes bash evangelical nationalists but thats done with through the lens of political discussion (maybe I cross the line sometimes)

Christmas is actually a re-brand of Saturnalia a roman holiday on Dec 17 were they had festivals and exchanged gifts. It helped sell christianity.

Religion is the worst most destructive creation of man

You want to introduce "god" into this discussion? fuck your god, hes a fake and anyone who believes in religion is dumb af

In december I put a fat inflatable pig with christmas regalia in my front yard just to reinforce christmas is now a non religious capitalist bullshit holiday. Much like all religions .. its bullshit.

Please dont ask me about your "god" again.

Understatement of the year award contender right here.

Wasn't trolling. I feel like most guys are influenced by their parents, and especially their dad. Was just curious if he also believed in God too. Interesting, to me at least, that if he was a christian republican and you grew up to be neither.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Understatement of the year award contender right here.

Wasn't trolling. I feel like most guys are influenced by their parents, and especially their dad. Was just curious if he also believed in God too. Interesting, to me at least, that if he was a christian republican and you grew up to be neither.

1. i apologize for my rant, really do. I try to keep my anti religion out of here.
2. im non religious. dad died when i was young, my step dad is jewish but we are a non religious
3. I dont know where my original post opens the door to my dads religion? I was talking about a local election candidate .. when I said "hes fucking republican" I was referring to republican reardon sullivan putting out signs implying hes democrat.

Nothing to do with my dad other than he is a resident of Montgomery County and when I saw his sample ballot i learned the sullivan guy is actually republcian and not Dem as his signs misleading imply.