Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire

tryfuhl · 11-20-2009, 03:21 PM

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celts32 · 11-20-2009, 11:41 AM

I give very little credit to Lewis. The improved offense is due to better OL play and by putting a RB in the game who is not just looking for somewhere to fall.

davy · 11-20-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

I give very little credit to Lewis. The improved offense is due to better OL play and by putting a RB in the game who is not just looking for somewhere to fall.

You need to pay more attention.

Daseal · 11-20-2009, 12:09 PM

When I think a better Oline I think of one without Samuels.

skinsfan69 · 11-20-2009, 12:22 PM

It's one freakin game. Plus one TD was scored on teams. The offense looks better but I would hardly say it's "taking off". Let's remember Denver had to play on Mon. night and then turn around and travel across the country and play a 1pm game. Plus their QB got hurt and didn't play the 2nd half. We got all the breaks last week. Won't be the case Sun. But it's nice to see us not wasting TO's and having confusion on the sidelines...but that's something you should never see from a professional team anyway. But no question Lewis is doing a very nice job.

Defensewins · 11-20-2009, 03:13 PM

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It's one freakin game. Plus one TD was scored on teams. The offense looks better but I would hardly say it's "taking off". Let's remember Denver had to play on Mon. night and then turn around and travel across the country and play a 1pm game. Plus their QB got hurt and didn't play the 2nd half. We got all the breaks last week. Won't be the case Sun. But it's nice to see us not wasting TO's and having confusion on the sidelines...but that's something you should never see from a professional team anyway. But no question Lewis is doing a very nice job.

That is exactly what I was going to say.
Amazing! You win one game and suddenly credit is due? Come on!
I call BS. Whats next? Handing out trophy's for second place? We are finally approaching the level of play of a professional team. We were at rock bottom. There is only one way to go but up.
I amazed at what a losers attitude we have developed as a team and fan base. You would think we have never won a game or a past super bowl? We win a game or two and we start handing our credit?

Paintrain · 11-22-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is exactly what I was going to say.
Amazing! You win one game and suddenly credit is due? Come on!
I call BS. Whats next? Handing out trophy's for second place? We are finally approaching the level of play of a professional team. We were at rock bottom. There is only one way to go but up.
I amazed at what a losers attitude we have developed as a team and fan base. You would think we have never won a game or a past super bowl? We win a game or two and we start handing our credit?

It's actually been 3 games.. Before Lewis, 12.4 PPG, after Lewis 20.3 PPG. Nobody is proposing a parade or a monument in his honor but are you one of those fans so jaded or clueless that you cannot recognize obvious progress and improvement?

Defensewins · 11-23-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's actually been 3 games.. Before Lewis, 12.4 PPG, after Lewis 20.3 PPG. Nobody is proposing a parade or a monument in his honor but are you one of those fans so jaded or clueless that you cannot recognize obvious progress and improvement?

Final Score: Jaded 7 Clueless 6.
BINGO!

Paintrain · 11-25-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Final Score: Jaded 7 Clueless 6.
BINGO!

Even with that stinker, we're still averaging 3 more PPG than under Zorn (16 ppg vs 13 ppg)..

FRPLG · 11-20-2009, 01:18 PM

I think an offense has so many moving parts that improvement can rarely be attributed to any one change. We clearly have built some confidence...that could be because they had so little confidence in Zorn before. I also think the play calling has seemed less predictable. I don't think the overall strategy looks any different but the execution of that strategy has shifted slightly. Plus I think guys are just playing better...maybe due to the confidence. Put it this way...Lewis has to get some credit at least...not all though. If the line can solidify into something approaching consistently average and we keep the running game on track I can see us winning more than losing down the stretch. Teams are going to start stacking again on us soon though and force us to try and pass to win. They have to be preparing for that.

redsk1 · 11-20-2009, 01:41 PM

Just purely on what I've seen since Sherman took over, it looks like we're a little better offensively. Is that the only reason? I doubt it, but SL deserves some credit.

As for it making VC look better, I don't know about that. We've only won 1 game recently and that was against a 2nd string qb who hasn't played in years. If we put together a 3+ game win streak...maybe. VC has earned the firing that's coming to him. Bad coaching choices. Bad drafts. Bad record. Bad publicity and questionable ethical behavior.

12thMan · 11-20-2009, 01:45 PM

I've also noticed that we're having less holding and offsides penalties along the offensive line. I wouldn't attribute that directly to Sherm Lewis, but it is an indication that guys are a little more focused before the snap.

Good play calling and execution breeds focus and confidence.

GMScud · 11-23-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I've also noticed that we're having less holding and offsides penalties along the offensive line. I wouldn't attribute that directly to Sherm Lewis, but it is an indication that guys are a little more focused before the snap.

Good play calling and execution breeds focus and confidence.

Well, we had at least 4 or 5 false starts yesterday. In the past three games, we played maybe our worst first half of the year against Atlanta (yes, we had a solid second half), played very well against Denver, and then scored 6 stinking points against Dallas.

Sure, we're racking up more yards and first downs, and that's good, but like some other people mentioned, let's what until we have larger sample size before we deem this a solid hire.

Maybe we're getting more yards, but giving Sherm Lewis praise one day after we managed just two field goals seems a bit silly.

dmek25 · 11-24-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, we had at least 4 or 5 false starts yesterday. In the past three games, we played maybe our worst first half of the year against Atlanta (yes, we had a solid second half), played very well against Denver, and then scored 6 stinking points against Dallas.

Sure, we're racking up more yards and first downs, and that's good, but like some other people mentioned, let's what until we have larger sample size before we deem this a solid hire.

Maybe we're getting more yards, but giving Sherm Lewis praise one day after we managed just two field goals seems a bit silly.

the voice of reason. how dare you

hooskins · 11-20-2009, 02:41 PM

Whoa whoa, let's not give him the key to the city yet. I think Portis out and Levi in is a big help as well. Also what about the factor, that the Skins finally relaxed because everyone completely wrote them off.

Also, how bout Orton getting hurt? I am pretty sure we may have lost if he was in the entire game. Not sold yet, let's see what we do next week

11-20-2009, 11:41 AM	#2
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 52 Posts: 2,665	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire I give very little credit to Lewis. The improved offense is due to better OL play and by putting a RB in the game who is not just looking for somewhere to fall. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

11-20-2009, 12:09 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire When I think a better Oline I think of one without Samuels. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

11-20-2009, 12:22 PM	#5
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,143	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire It's one freakin game. Plus one TD was scored on teams. The offense looks better but I would hardly say it's "taking off". Let's remember Denver had to play on Mon. night and then turn around and travel across the country and play a 1pm game. Plus their QB got hurt and didn't play the 2nd half. We got all the breaks last week. Won't be the case Sun. But it's nice to see us not wasting TO's and having confusion on the sidelines...but that's something you should never see from a professional team anyway. But no question Lewis is doing a very nice job.

11-20-2009, 01:18 PM	#10
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 10,164	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire I think an offense has so many moving parts that improvement can rarely be attributed to any one change. We clearly have built some confidence...that could be because they had so little confidence in Zorn before. I also think the play calling has seemed less predictable. I don't think the overall strategy looks any different but the execution of that strategy has shifted slightly. Plus I think guys are just playing better...maybe due to the confidence. Put it this way...Lewis has to get some credit at least...not all though. If the line can solidify into something approaching consistently average and we keep the running game on track I can see us winning more than losing down the stretch. Teams are going to start stacking again on us soon though and force us to try and pass to win. They have to be preparing for that.

11-20-2009, 01:41 PM	#11
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire Just purely on what I've seen since Sherman took over, it looks like we're a little better offensively. Is that the only reason? I doubt it, but SL deserves some credit. As for it making VC look better, I don't know about that. We've only won 1 game recently and that was against a 2nd string qb who hasn't played in years. If we put together a 3+ game win streak...maybe. VC has earned the firing that's coming to him. Bad coaching choices. Bad drafts. Bad record. Bad publicity and questionable ethical behavior.

11-20-2009, 01:45 PM	#12
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire I've also noticed that we're having less holding and offsides penalties along the offensive line. I wouldn't attribute that directly to Sherm Lewis, but it is an indication that guys are a little more focused before the snap. Good play calling and execution breeds focus and confidence.

11-20-2009, 02:41 PM	#15
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Giving Credit Where Credit's Due: Offensive Stats Before and After the Sherm Lewis Hire Whoa whoa, let's not give him the key to the city yet. I think Portis out and Levi in is a big help as well. Also what about the factor, that the Skins finally relaxed because everyone completely wrote them off. Also, how bout Orton getting hurt? I am pretty sure we may have lost if he was in the entire game. Not sold yet, let's see what we do next week __________________ Vacancy

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