Vince Young - Offensive Rookie of the Year

[jsarno]

Wow, I guess I am the only one here that actually saw him for what he was as a QB, below average.
Jones-Drew / Bush should have been the 1-2 in no particular order, with Colston in the mix as well.
I'm just not buying this Vince Young bandwagon thing...in a couple years we will all be talking about how overrated he is, just Like how overrated Vick is. The kid needs to learn how to be a QB. 51.7% comp is HORRIBLE. 158.9 yards a game he threw for (not including the first 2 games of the season since he didn't play in significant action.)
His legs definitely helped them win games, over 500 yards...but not enough to warrent the award in my opinion.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Wow, I guess I am the only one here that actually saw him for what he was as a QB, below average.
Jones-Drew / Bush should have been the 1-2 in no particular order, with Colston in the mix as well.
I'm just not buying this Vince Young bandwagon thing...in a couple years we will all be talking about how overrated he is, just Like how overrated Vick is. The kid needs to learn how to be a QB. 51.7% comp is HORRIBLE. 158.9 yards a game he threw for (not including the first 2 games of the season since he didn't play in significant action.)
His legs definitely helped them win games, over 500 yards...but not enough to warrent the award in my opinion.

Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

Good, glad to see I am not the only one.

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

Both players are going to be special. Without VY, the Titans are fighting for a top 3 pick. Remember, they lost their first three or four games with Volek starting. Their D and special teams definitely picked it up, but who else does Young have on that offense? Henry played pretty good, but he's not the reason the entire team has played over their heads. This guy wills his team to wins. If Chow stays, watch VY get better as a passer too.

Leinart suffered from what we call a lack of an offensive line. Is it a coincidence Edge had such a terrible year? You get an o-line and it opens up the running game, which in turn will keep d's honest for ML to throw. He's got the goods too... wait until he gets a real offensive coach too (Chow perhaps?).

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.

But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.

T-E-A-M...it's all about team. Tennessee has more in my opinion...just cause Arizona has a couple good receivers doesn't mean they have more. Leinart ran for his life on every play.

ps- Edge James SUCKED this year...no running game = losses. Tennessee had a running game.

[Redskin]

You cant will a team to win i declare Hacks!Shananagins!WitchCraft!

But seriously VY ha d agame with a little over 100 total yard on offense, guess he willed the defense to pull that win out form their asses. Not a very good passer either, not like guys were dropping balls left and right.

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.

Thank you TAFKAS. Exactly my point. I don't think those numbers Lienart put produced many victories, do you? It's about winning! Lienart didn't, Young did. Bottom line!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Thank you TAFKAS. Exactly my point. I don't think those numbers Lienart put produced many victories, do you? It's about winning! Lienart didn't, Young did. Bottom line!

Those numbers prove that if one is overrated, the other is too.

Nice to know that everyone thinks 1 guy makes the difference between an 8 win team and a 5 win team. Might as well not even field that many players since 1 player makes the difference for 3 wins. So if I had 4 vince youngs, I'd win 12 games...sweeeet.

Again, it's a TEAM effort.
Don't worry, I am positive that the rose colored glasses will come off with Young eventually...I was right about soooo many like him in the past, and I am right now. I know that sounds arrogant, but you guys aren't looking at the big picture.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's gotta be that 'stache and nascar haircut

Haha. The best 'stache was Wannstedt -- no question. I'd always imagine him in a Miami Vice type of scene, where he's on a big cigarette boat with his flower print shirt halfway buttoned down with gold chains, bimbos, and an eightball of coke. lol

[dmek25]

i think everyone is forgetting, in the nfl, the wins are the thing. young almost took a pretty sorry titans team into the playoffs. and lienart took the cardinals, well.....

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Nice to know that everyone thinks 1 guy makes the difference between an 8 win team and a 5 win team. Might as well not even field that many players since 1 player makes the difference for 3 wins. So if I had 4 vince youngs, I'd win 12 games...sweeeet.

Again, it's a TEAM effort.
Don't worry, I am positive that the rose colored glasses will come off with Young eventually...I was right about soooo many like him in the past, and I am right now. I know that sounds arrogant, but you guys aren't looking at the big picture.

You do know that Young didn't start the first three games for the Titans right? Which also happened to be three losses and three possible games that VY did not have a chance to win a game. Which means VY was 8-5 his rookie campaign, including a 6 game win streak near the end. Oh yeah, he's only a freakin' rookie! How many rookie QBs with Travis Henry and Bo Scaife as your weapons would pull out an 8-5 record in the NFL?

Yet people want to hate on him for some reason, pointing out the defensive effort in the Jax game. What about the fact that the Titans beat nearly the entire NFC east, including a decimation of Philly at the Linc. How about the 2 TD performance to beat Indy? Oh, but he threw two picks and Bironas hit a 60 yd FG... let's not give any credit to the QB.

Instead of using red herring arguments ("if we had 4 vince youngs, we would win 12 games"), give some logical reasons why you think VY will fail. His throwing motion can definitely be improved, his passing percentage could be higher, etc.

If there are no such instances of one player making a difference, why do some teams actually play better when a switch is made at QB? I bet Tony Romo didn't have anything to do with giving his team a spark this season right? Me being an SC alum, there's no way you can tell me that Texas would have beaten SC in the Rose Bowl without VY least year... in fact, UT wouldn't have even made a BCS bowl last year without VY. That just shoots down your entire argument that one player can make a three win difference. Don't they also say that a steady kicker can make a two win difference in a season? It is a team effort (like you say), but one player can will that team effort (as has been proven time and time again). Fact: The Titans (as a team) do not go on a 6 game win streak with Billy Volek [edit: make that Kerry Collins] at the helm.

How are you so sure that you are right? I mean, I'm sure of some things too- but that doesn't mean there's not a small chance of others being right too... Are you truly saying that VY has no shot at being a great QB in this league? Obviously, he won the ROY for a reason- people that watch football chose him over Colston, MJD and Bush.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Haha. The best 'stache was Wannstedt -- no question. I'd always imagine him in a Miami Vice type of scene, where he's on a big cigarette boat with his flower print shirt halfway buttoned down with gold chains, bimbos, and an eightball of coke. lol

lol I can see that