Defense let us down!

[jdlea]

Ladell Betts, in limited action this season, is tied with JP Losman (a guy who is more prone to fumble because he gets blindsided and touches the football more) for second most fumbles this season. He only trails Andrew Walter (another QB in the same boat as Losman). Wow, kinda puts that into perspective...

[Skins4Eva]

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

No, I never argued about the greatness of Ladell Betts, so read the site and get your facts straight! No, he's fumbled 6 goddamn times this season! What are you even talking about? Why don't you look up some stats before you decide to try to attack someone. And you know what? Clinton scores a TD on that play because he has breakaway speed...

Whatever, you guys are all right! 6 fumbles in one season where you've started upwards of 6 games should be totally excusable, especially considering 2 of them cost you a chance to win a football game. And if they don't, all of a sudden, they're 7 - 8 with a shot, albeit unlikely, of sliding into the playoffs, however undeserved it may be. So don't act like it didn't mean anything.

I've been consistent with my skepticism of Betts all year. How about you look that up before you try to accuse me of changing my tune.

I honestly cant believe you think its ok for the defense too suck but not OK for Betts too have a mistake, it happens, even the great ones fumbled, the guy has racked up over 1,000 yards in half a season, Im not pushing for Betts to start over Portis and never will, but stop putting the loss on a guy that rushed for 129 yards and 2 TD, not to mention that was his fifth straight 100 yard game

I dont know if you know this or not, but the D gave up over 600 yards today, damn betts only if you could have scored five more TDs you wouldnt suck so much, and only if Randle El was psychic, he should have known it would have been heads, please just stop talking, your really making your self look worse and worse each time

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

Well since you played Division 1 football and you think you have more Knowledge than anyone else, tell me how its Betts fault when your defense gives up over 600 yards of offense and 37 points?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

Are you serious "trade Betts and sign a beast like Duckett" amazing, your football knowledge is a little overblown, maybe you shouldnt post anymore after rediculous comments like that, maybe you did play Div. 1 football but your head definately got knocked around one to many times!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

I honestly cant believe you think its ok for the defense too suck but not OK for Betts too have a mistake, it happens, even the great ones fumbled, the guy has racked up over 1,000 yards in half a season, Im not pushing for Betts to start over Portis and never will, but stop putting the loss on a guy that rushed for 129 yards and 2 TD, not to mention that was his fifth straight 100 yard game

I dont know if you know this or not, but the D gave up over 600 yards today, damn betts only if you could have scored five more TDs you wouldnt suck so much, and only if Randle El was psychic, he should have known it would have been heads, please just stop talking, your really making your self look worse and worse each time

Really?! By bringing up stats, I make myself look worse...for the 1000001st time, I have never said it was "okay" for the d to suck. However, they do, the quicker that's acknowledged the better the team will be. Ya know why the Colts always score so many points? Cause they don't play defense! Does anyone think the Skins shouldn't take this approach?

As for making 1 mistake...how about 6? 6 goddamn fumbles! How about addressing that. In limited action. I don't give a damn how many yards he has when he fumbles away a chance to win. I'd just as pissed if it had been Clinton. 25 yards of his total came on 1 run, what goddamn good did they do? They gave the Rams a shot at the win. Skins4Eva is right, most of you don't make any sense...

[ncskinsfanec]

Portis will be the starter again next season anyway. So don't feel like you need to defend him. Portis' stats and contributions speak for themselves. He got hurt the first game of preseason and was never really himself in the games he did play. Portis will start next year and Betts will provide a good change of pace. Don't worry about Betts replacing Portis as starter because it isn't going to happen.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Really?! By bringing up stats, I make myself look worse...for the 1000001st time, I have never said it was "okay" for the d to suck. However, they do, the quicker that's acknowledged the better the team will be. Ya know why the Colts always score so many points? Cause they don't play defense! Does anyone think the Skins shouldn't take this approach?

As for making 1 mistake...how about 6? 6 goddamn fumbles! How about addressing that. In limited action. I don't give a damn how many yards he has when he fumbles away a chance to win. I'd just as pissed if it had been Clinton. 25 yards of his total came on 1 run, what goddamn good did they do? They gave the Rams a shot at the win. Skins4Eva is right, most of you don't make any sense...

Please stop, Ladell fumbled, it happens, the D gave up over 600 yards and 37 points, what is it that your not getting, Your making an excuse for this D, they gave the game away long before Betts fumbled, the D sucks and has cost us games all year, thats why were 5-10, your football knowledge is terrible, and if you want too talk about how the Colts have adjusted just look at that score today against the Texans!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Portis will be the starter again next season anyway. So don't feel like you need to defend him. Portis' stats and contributions speak for themselves. He got hurt the first game of preseason and was never really himself in the games he did play. Portis will start next year and Betts will provide a good change of pace. Don't worry about Betts replacing Portis as starter because it isn't going to happen.

My reason for making those comments isn't so much what's been said in this thread, but it's directed at the large community of people on this board who have contended that Portis should be traded to make way for the older, more injury prone, fumble machine that is Ladell Betts.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Portis will be the starter again next season anyway. So don't feel like you need to defend him. Portis' stats and contributions speak for themselves. He got hurt the first game of preseason and was never really himself in the games he did play. Portis will start next year and Betts will provide a good change of pace. Don't worry about Betts replacing Portis as starter because it isn't going to happen.

Atleast some one in here is reasonable, this is all im trying to say also, but he keeps putting the loss sqaurely on the shoulders of betts and its truely infuriating.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

My reason for making those comments isn't so much what's been said in this thread, but it's directed at the large community of people on this board who have contended that Portis should be traded to make way for the older, more injury prone, fumble machine that is Ladell Betts.

I have never once asked for Portis to be traded, and honestly i feel the Front Office should jump on this situation they have with Betts and trade him for picks, I am a huge Portis fan and feel he is the starter until he cant run anymore!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Please stop, Ladell fumbled, it happens, the D gave up over 600 yards and 37 points, what is it that your not getting, Your making an excuse for this D, they gave the game away long before Betts fumbled, the D sucks and has cost us games all year, thats why were 5-10, your football knowledge is terrible, and if you want too talk about how the Colts have adjusted just look at that score today against the Texans!

It happens? How about the fact that he's the tied for the second most fumbles in the National Football League?! Why have you failed to address that fact? All you say is "the D gave up 37 points." They gave up 37 points to an offense who can hang 37 points on anyone any given week. Especially the worst pass defense (as far as TDs are concerned) in the NFL. My football knowledge is terrible? No, I'm distracting by my incessant slurping of Ladell Betts. A guy who is as prone to fumble as bad Quarterbacks!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

I have never once asked for Portis to be traded, and honestly i feel the Front Office should jump on this situation they have with Betts and trade him for picks, I am a huge Portis fan and feel he is the starter until he cant run anymore!

Dude, I never said you did...if you read the post, I said it had nothing to do with what had been said in this thread...and, btw, sometimes there is only one "o" in the word "too."

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Atleast some one in here is reasonable, this is all im trying to say also, but he keeps putting the loss sqaurely on the shoulders of betts and its truely infuriating.

Never once have I not acknowledged that the D didn't help blow that game. However, the offense got the football with a chance to win and then Ladell Betts put the Skins in a position to lose the football game. "If the d made a stop..." Ever hear of momentum. Kind of a big deal in football...especially for a home team. You kinda get it when you should have lost, but somehow came up with a gift fumble from the supposed superstar running back. That helps you win a game. Especially when there are about 2 mins left.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

It happens? How about the fact that he's the tied for the second most fumbles in the National Football League?! Why have you failed to address that fact? All you say is "the D gave up 37 points." They gave up 37 points to an offense who can hang 37 points on anyone any given week. Especially the worst pass defense (as far as TDs are concerned) in the NFL. My football knowledge is terrible? No, I'm distracting by my incessant slurping of Ladell Betts. A guy who is as prone to fumble as bad Quarterbacks!

Hes a goddamn back up, hes paid like a backup, how many times has he fumbled since hes been the primary back?