Randle El is the receiver we need to pursue (#2 WR discussion - Merged)

[skinspt-11]

1. Antonio Bryant = 69rec, 1009yds, 4td's
2.Randle El = 35rec, 558yds, 1td
3.Corey Bradford = 45rec, 697yds, 6tds
4. David Givens = 59rec, 738yds, 2tds
5. Ike Hillard = 35rec, 282yds, 1td
6. K.McCardell = 70rec, 917yds, 9tds
7. J.Jurevicius = 55rec, 694yds, 10tds
8. R.Caldwell = 28rec, 352yds 1td
9. = R.Wayne = 83rec, 1055yds, 5td
10. E.Moulds = 81rec, 816yds, 4tds

This isn't the order I want them to be our #2. Except for Moulds I just the UFA players.

What about trading Ramsey to the cards for Bryant Johnson.

If dallas gets T.O. and cuts K.Johnson, Should we sign him.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I would rather have any of these guys then Randle-El:

David Givens NE
Josh Reed Buf
Antonio Bryant Cle
Eric Moulds Buf
Kevin Johnson Det
Peerless Price Dal
Koren Robinson Min
David Boston Mia

Why are they better options, because almost every one of them has shown that they can produce at the NFL level. Something that Randle-el has never done. Cedric Wilson was the go to guy in the playoff game and had 80 less yards over the course of the season (which was Wilson's first in the system).



What makes him better than Patten??? Patten has had two 800 yard seasons and had 7 tds in one year. El has 7 tds in his career (excluding playoffs).

What is your evidence except that you "think" he is better. The Redskins need a producer at the #2.

Randle-El has bust written all over him.

Givens would be a good pickup but I don't think the Patriots are going to let him go considering that Brown is getting old they're going to want to keep him around. Josh Reed numbers are worse than Randle El's in there 4 year careers you keep saying about Antwaan 7 career tds what about Reeds 6 career tds? Antonio Bryant has some issues but he is a consistent reciever I just think Randle El fits our style more. Moulds is a great receiver but he is what 34 yrs old thats all we need is another 30+ receiver with Patten. Price had a couple good seasons in Buffalo but relied on single coverage because of Moulds Price has already proved that he can't hack it anymore See Atlanta and Dallas.I do like KRob he is a great special teams player and he could contirbute as a #3 receiver I just can't see him as a #2. and finally what has David Boston done since he left Arizona oh wait I know he has been hurt he can't even start for Miami.

As for Randle El I think he is the best choice to fit our style of offense how can you say he hasn't proved that he can play at an NFL level 4 years 162recs, 2,012yds,7tds granted they arent the best numbers but he has proven that he can be a #2 receiver and remember this is his first real year with significant playing time do to Plaxico Burress being in Pittsburgh.

Patten is a good receiver but just not a #2 receiver he was always a #3 receiver with New England , I think he fits us better as a #3 and he is getting old, Randle El has only been in the leauge 4 yrs and I think he can do a great job for us.

[Warpath]

Originally Posted by skinspt-11

If dallas gets T.O. and cuts K.Johnson, Should we sign him.

HELL NO

[Pocket$ $traight]

I agree on Key. He is garbage. I would like to see the 'boys drop him but I don't want to see T.O. with the star.

[ST21]

I dont want him.......enough with the small ball

[SanFranSkinsFan]

I don't see how the Steelers are going to let Randel El go, so we'll have to draft someone and have a vet compete with D. Patten.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by ST21

I dont want him.......enough with the small ball

I agree, I do not want another small WR. I would like to see us get a bigger WR. Here are my choices, in no particular(SP) order.

A. Bryant - 6'2" - 188lbs. 4yrs exp. Last year where he got to be the #1 guy he had over 1,000 yards and 15 catches of 20+yards.

D. Givens - 6'0" - 212lbs. 4yrs exp.

K. Robinson - 6'1" - 205lbs. 5yrs exp. Also, could work on our special teams squads.

K. Washington - 6'3" - 216lbs. 3yrs exp.

Any one of these guys I would like to see play for us. Also, if you look, they are all young meaning that they wont be quick fixes, they will be here long term. And they are big WR size wise to help move the chains and be a target in the red zone.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinspt-11

What about trading Ramsey to the cards for Bryant Johnson.

I've mentioned this in another thread regarding one of the Arizona receivers. I don't think Dennis Green will part with any of his wideouts. Johnson, Fitzgerald and Boldin are the only thing the Cardinals have going for them. Plus, D. Green loves to throw the ball.

I wouldn't count on Arizona letting any of those guys go.

[That Guy]

I'd only want AR-el if the following aren't available:
wayne (expensive and franchised, so not happening :/ )
curtis (RFA)
KR
draft S moss
givens

there are #2s with 800-1000 yards, so settling for someone that's a 600 yard WR just cause he's fast and can run a trick play is silly. I'd bring in 2-3 WRs though. Either curtis or KR, then on top of that try to draft a WR if and only if the right player is available and bring in a couple lowball guys with upside or old established guys (keenan, reche, etc). That way you could have 2 good WRs outside moss and depth that's good for more than 1 catch a game total.

[That Guy]

didn't consider K washington or C Bradford... the texans J gaffney might be a good pickup too. I think curtis if possible is still the best option, and KR is a good pic too as long as you have a backup plan.

[skns03]

yeah i say so but the steelers are gonna give him a deal because he is good at throwing at catching

[SmootSmack]

Bears are apparently interested in Randle-El, per the Chicago Tribune.

"Talk around this year's Senior Bowl practice week is that the Bears' first priority will be Pittsburgh wide receiver and premier returner Antwaan Randle El when free agency begins in March. Randle El, from Thornton High School in Harvey by way of Indiana University, has averaged 40 catches for 12.4 yards and 42 punt returns for 9.5 yards during his four seasons with the Steelers.

Randle El also would give the Bears a third-string quarterback on game days without using the active roster spot. His play in the Steelers' playoff run will drive up the price, but the Bears are in excellent salary-cap shape and have not shied from making decisive, big-money moves the last three off-seasons."

[dmek25]

after watching the seniors practice,maybe s moss might be the way to go.said to have an excellent week of practice.maybe a hard worker like his brother

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Bears are apparently interested in Randle-El, per the Chicago Tribune.

"Talk around this year's Senior Bowl practice week is that the Bears' first priority will be Pittsburgh wide receiver and premier returner Antwaan Randle El when free agency begins in March. Randle El, from Thornton High School in Harvey by way of Indiana University, has averaged 40 catches for 12.4 yards and 42 punt returns for 9.5 yards during his four seasons with the Steelers.

Randle El also would give the Bears a third-string quarterback on game days without using the active roster spot. His play in the Steelers' playoff run will drive up the price, but the Bears are in excellent salary-cap shape and have not shied from making decisive, big-money moves the last three off-seasons."

It's going to be hard for the Redskins to compete with a team that has plenty of cap space for a player of Randle El's caliber.

If this is true about the Bears, we can kiss Randle El goodbye.

[Ralo Dirtbags]

We need reggie wayne, T.O., randle-el, or 6'0''+ receiver to be a solid 3rd down, blocking and can go over the middle wide out, and put patten in the slot on 2nd and 3rd, and long down situations. We need a hard hitting, cover DB either SS or CB, and an backup O-line. Who is out there FA and or draft?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I gotta' say. The Bears are making some sound decisions personnel-wise.

[Monksdown]

It's not very often, salary cap or not, that Dan Snyder lets someone leave the city without signing a deal. If Dan gets it in his head that he wants Randle El, he will make it work. Remember, between Gibbs & Danny, we've got Jesus and Satan on our side.

[That Guy]

too much hype for a 600yd #2. there's better out there for less.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Randle-El is not the answer. I do not understand the buzz about him, either. First of all the reason that Pitts will let him go is because he isn't as good as Cedric Wilson.

Look at his stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...?playerId=3590

His best year was 43 catches for 600 yards and 3 TDs <crickets chirping>.

He isn't even as good as Patten, he fumbles too much, and his hands are Gardneresque. How would he help the team?

There are better options out there.

Randle-El scored one TD in the regular season. But I guess he stepped up in the playoffs.

[SonnySamFrank]

Check the links for the following receivers:

Reggie Wayne http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235256

Antwaan Randle El http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302217

Eric Moulds http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

Kevin Curtis http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395944

As a #2 Receiver, I'd want them in this order:

Wayne, Moulds, Randle El, Curtis.

As a #3/KR, I'd want:

Curtis, Randle El

Everyone is talking about Randle El throwing option passes, but how many of those are the Redskins likely to run??? Maybe 4 in an entire season? I'll take the best receiver of the bunch to take the pressure off of Moss and then worry about gadget plays and return yards.

[dmek25]

wayne was franchised so he is out of the question

[#56fanatic]

I just dont see it as a priority to go and spend money on a big name guy. We have other needs that need to be addressed and spending big money on one guy just doesn't seem to fit. We need depth at o-line and d-line. We need secondary depth, corner and safety. Maybe some depth at TE, although I believe Cooley will play alot more w/ suanders calling the plays. We are going to have to sign a QB also because Ramsey is not going to be here. I would much rather sign quality players at those positions, than sign one big name guy and a bunch of stop gaps or roster fillers. I think the Redskins are spending the money where they need to, offensive coaching. Patten has been, typically through his career, a productive #2 guy. I believe with saunders opening things up and another year under his belt, Patten will be productive. You can give up on a guy because of 1 bad year(Brunell?) Also we have draft picks, plus what ever we get for Ramsey that could be used on a WR that could be productive as a #3 or if we are lucky #2. Plus I believe Cooley will be alot more involved, much like Gonzales was in KC, he would have about 100 catches each year. It sounds nice to say Reggie Wayne, Randel el, Robinson is a Redskin, but I just think the quality of players signed through out the Roster is more important than the superstar lable of one player.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont see it as a priority to go and spend money on a big name guy. We have other needs that need to be addressed and spending big money on one guy just doesn't seem to fit. We need depth at o-line and d-line. We need secondary depth, corner and safety. Maybe some depth at TE, although I believe Cooley will play alot more w/ suanders calling the plays. We are going to have to sign a QB also because Ramsey is not going to be here. I would much rather sign quality players at those positions, than sign one big name guy and a bunch of stop gaps or roster fillers. I think the Redskins are spending the money where they need to, offensive coaching. Patten has been, typically through his career, a productive #2 guy. I believe with saunders opening things up and another year under his belt, Patten will be productive. You can give up on a guy because of 1 bad year(Brunell?) Also we have draft picks, plus what ever we get for Ramsey that could be used on a WR that could be productive as a #3 or if we are lucky #2. Plus I believe Cooley will be alot more involved, much like Gonzales was in KC, he would have about 100 catches each year. It sounds nice to say Reggie Wayne, Randel el, Robinson is a Redskin, but I just think the quality of players signed through out the Roster is more important than the superstar lable of one player.

and what happens when patten or moss get hurt? we pack it in and wait for next year?

guys like curtis or robinson won't be big money like wayne or moulds or even r-el (who's overhyped).

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and what happens when patten or moss get hurt? we pack it in and wait for next year?

guys like curtis or robinson won't be big money like wayne or moulds or even r-el (who's overhyped).

I didn't say get scrubs, I said quality backups or #3 or #4s. I cant see Robinson signing for anything less. I was a career year for him, so he's looking to get paid. Curtis, not sure. Injuries are part of the game, hopefully they dont happen, but you cant stack your roster with a bunch of high priced players at one position. Other parts of the roster will pay the price. I'd say we are in the same position if Portis got hurt, Betts may look OK for a game or two, but he hasn't been healthy a whole season yet, and is unproven as a #1 RB. Same thing with the O-line, D-line. You saw what happened when Thomas went down last year. That really hurt us in seattle, we couldn't run worth crap. I am just saying to sign guys that dont drain the wallet. If they have workable demands for contracts, why not, but if they are asking for alot of cash, I dont see us signing them.

[MTK]

Koren Robinson had 22 catches for 347 yards and 1 TD. Hardly a career year, I think he's still damaged goods to the point where he's not going to be able to name his own price and command #1 WR type money.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Koren Robinson had 22 catches for 347 yards and 1 TD. Hardly a career year, I think he's still damaged goods to the point where he's not going to be able to name his own price and command #1 WR type money.

I must be thinking of someone else. that is hardly a great year!!

[giacomo2]

i think moulds would be a perfect fit...he has size and speed, with him we have santana, moulds and patton...what a tough match-up for any secondary. i like randel-el....but i think he will stay in pittsburgh.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I must be thinking of someone else. that is hardly a great year!!

hence my confusion at your insistance of high money... he's still super cheap. He DID have a great year returning kicks (PB returner), but KR/PR get paid around vet min. That's why he's a good guy to get, if he's right now, he's got the skills of a #2 or low tier #1 and can return and wants to be here and wont cost too much. You just have to hope he can stay straight.

[SmootSmack]

I think people say he had a great year because, considering his past and the type of off-field problems the Vikings had this year, he was Mr. Reliable. He didn't wow you with his numbers but he showed up, played hard, and caused no problems.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Bears are apparently interested in Randle-El, per the Chicago Tribune.

"Talk around this year's Senior Bowl practice week is that the Bears' first priority will be Pittsburgh wide receiver and premier returner Antwaan Randle El when free agency begins in March. Randle El, from Thornton High School in Harvey by way of Indiana University, has averaged 40 catches for 12.4 yards and 42 punt returns for 9.5 yards during his four seasons with the Steelers.

Randle El also would give the Bears a third-string quarterback on game days without using the active roster spot. His play in the Steelers' playoff run will drive up the price, but the Bears are in excellent salary-cap shape and have not shied from making decisive, big-money moves the last three off-seasons."

let the bears have him. they already have a possession receiver in muhammed. randle el is a younger version of patten. he is a fine player but he is smallish and we need size at at least 1 wideout.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by skns03

yeah i say so but the steelers are gonna give him a deal because he is good at throwing at catching

maybe. the steelers let plaxico walk. they also have wilson to pair with ward so they can afford to draft a player to fine the role. steelers do not sually pay up big bucks for free agents

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by That Guy

too much hype for a 600yd #2. there's better out there for less.

an excellent point. he could be another peerless price who benefitted from playing beside a very solid player-- or alvin harper..

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by dmek25

wayne was franchised so he is out of the question

if that is true, then the skins will benefit because the colts will be dumping other players right and left. guys like brock and freeney may be turned loose because of their cap situation.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and what happens when patten or moss get hurt? we pack it in and wait for next year?

guys like curtis or robinson won't be big money like wayne or moulds or even r-el (who's overhyped).

i like curtis but he is smallish and also a restricted free agent. he will cost a pick. robinson won't. moulds won't either if he is released. we could get a got solid year out of mccardell as well. there are gonna be good options out there.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Koren Robinson had 22 catches for 347 yards and 1 TD. Hardly a career year, I think he's still damaged goods to the point where he's not going to be able to name his own price and command #1 WR type money.

you are correct. teams will not be lining up to pay robinson first tier money.
if he expects that he will sit for a long time. there will have to be safeguards for any team signing him because of the possibility of relapse.. still he has a fine upside and is young. he needs to go to the right team for certain. given how tight the skins are becoming he will need to pass muster from the vets. if he does, look for the skins to make a strong push for him

[j_j__l]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

you are correct. teams will not be lining up to pay robinson first tier money.
if he expects that he will sit for a long time. there will have to be safeguards for any team signing him because of the possibility of relapse.. still he has a fine upside and is young. he needs to go to the right team for certain. given how tight the skins are becoming he will need to pass muster from the vets. if he does, look for the skins to make a strong push for him

I agree with you guys on Robinson being a GOOD pick up, I think it would take a VERY GOOD interview with GIbbs to make sure he passes the REDSKINS character test...I think this team will have alot of FA options at WR. I still think we should take a HARD look at J. Jerovicouis....I think his style would fit in well with Patten and Moss and he's proven (this year) he can step into the top 2 spots if either get hurt.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by j_j__l

I agree with you guys on Robinson being a GOOD pick up, I think it would take a VERY GOOD interview with GIbbs to make sure he passes the REDSKINS character test...I think this team will have alot of FA options at WR. I still think we should take a HARD look at J. Jerovicouis....I think his style would fit in well with Patten and Moss and he's proven (this year) he can step into the top 2 spots if either get hurt.

JJ probably isn't leaving seattle. He has roots there right now and is about to re-retire, so i doubt he wants to move 3000 miles away for a one year job.

[j_j__l]

WOW, i just looked up JJ's age (32)...my bad, I didn't realize how old he was...NEVER MIND on him as our #3/2 WR, inless he's cheap and only wants a 2 year deal....

[j_j__l]

Waybe if K. Robinson passes GIbb's personnel eval test and at the age of only 26, he might be a GOOD/SOLID pick up for #2/3 WR and KR (26yr avg.)...but I would break the bank on him and i would have option years to make sure his Character stays on par with what we consider as a Redskin.

[Bandwagon]

Looking at the way Gibbs has operated in the past and contrast that with the initial performance of Snyder, I have to put Randle El in the category of a HIGH PROFILE free agent which Gibbs avoids. Joe looks for capable performers who are unappreciated by their present teams, viz Moss, and discards those on the Skins who have not improved to expectations, viz Gardner. Finding a WR in the draft, especially considering we have no first round pick, that can have an immediate impact in his first year in the NFL, will be very difficult to do. I anticipate Gibbs and Saunders will go "gold mining" again this year and come up with a nugget that no one else recognized.