Redskins trade for Alex Smith

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

We went 7-9 this year. We put Smith under center for last season does the pendulum swing at all? I just don't see it. I am not sure how this move gets us any closer to the playoffs let alone vying for a division title.

The pendulum doesn't swing, you are correct. However, not because Smith is 'worse' than Cousins. With the injuries this team suffered this season, aside from having Brady, Rodgers, maybe Brees, this team still finishes 7-9. This move, in my opinion, at a minimum maintains our current position with regard to the playoffs. If you wanted to keep Cousins it was going to take the 3rd franchise tag, period. He was never going to sign a long term deal here. So we got Smith for half that cost this year, and a reasonable contract for the next five years. But hey, we don't have to talk about the QB position any longer - we have our guy, Jay has his guy. Now the team has the resources to make up for the loss of Kendall Fuller and then some. Don't get me wrong, I don't like losing Kendall Fuller, but in big picture terms this is exactly what the doctor ordered. I'll take a pro-bowl QB for the next 2, 3, maybe 4 years for an up and coming CB all day, every day.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by mooby

He is good, if you have a stud running game/wide receiver/Pro Bowl TE/defense to lean on. We are 0 for 3 1/2 on that front (I say 1/2 because Reed is a Pro Bowl TE who can never stay healthy).

That is exactly correct.
Most average to above average QB's will do well with all the weapons Chiefs have.
I am not sold and have never been sold on Smith.
Which is why two teams have gotten rid of him.
We have tp have a solid team around Smith to win.
We do not have that just yet.
Depending on what we have up to get Smith, this move is still a big unknown.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

I don't like losing Kendall, but let's think about it this way.

With Kirk - $34 million this year, lose him next year. We still have Kendall and our 3rd next year.

With Alex - Cap hit probably around $18-20 million this year, still have him next year (at around the same cap hit), pick up a 3rd round pick next year (for losing Kirk), and we have to replace Kendall.

So, the question is:

1. Can we replace Kendall (and upgrade other areas) with the $14 million in savings for this year?

2. Is it good to have some guarantee that our quarterback this year will still be our quarterback next year (and for basically as long as we want him to be in the foreseeable future)?

If Alex can perform even close to the same as Kirk in our offense (or even better), then the QB's are even, the 3rd rounder cancels itself out, and you are left weighing Kendall versus $14 million this year and actually knowing who will be our quarterback next year.

Not saying this is an overwhelming success (and that I wouldn't rather have kept Kendall), but it ain't bad either.

It's bad. We basically switched out Cousins for an older version of himself, costing us a good corner and a 3rd round pick to do so.

(And no, the way this front office signs old free agents to this team, we aren't getting any comp pick back)

We could have had Cousins for 20-25 mil a year, instead of this situation, if we had signed him earlier like a smart front office would have.

And when we lose next season like we did this season, how long will Smith really last here? KC was ready to move on from Smith after a 10-6 season!

And I don't get why folks are OK with last season and say we were competitive. We were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs by week 15. We were never competitive this season. Anybody think we are going to be better when we are just treading water with moves like this?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How many times has Smith topped 20 td passes in his career? How do you go an entire season and not throw ONE TD to a WR??? HOW????? This is now 2 TEAMS that have replaced him. WHY? I'll tell you why, it's because he's limited. He's not taking you anywhere. Look at the Titans game? He couldn't make any plays in the 2nd half of that game. KC couldn't wait for a sucker and they called us first.

I'm NOT saying Colt is better. What I'm saying is the organization would be better off w/ him as a stop gap, keep Fuller, bring in a vet free agent, keep your 3rd rounder and draft someone.

Kirk Cousins has never won a playoff game. He's never gotten a team to 10 wins.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Kirk Cousins has never won a playoff game. He's never gotten a team to 10 wins.

This is the bottom line folks, KC is 26-30 as a starter, meaning at best he's a .500 for his career if the ball bounces right, I bet he won't shine with the Jets who I believe he will sign with.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This is the bottom line folks, KC is 26-30 as a starter, meaning at best he's a .500 for his career if the ball bounces right, I bet he won't shine with the Jets who I believe he will sign with.

Cousins is gonna make a killing in free agency now.


My guess is highest paid player in the NFL at a 27 million per year clip. That's insane

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

It's bad. We basically switched out Cousins for an older version of himself, costing us a good corner and a 3rd round pick to do so.

(And no, the way this front office signs old free agents to this team, we aren't getting any comp pick back)

We could have had Cousins for 20-25 mil a year, instead of this situation, if we had signed him earlier like a smart front office would have.

And when we lose next season like we did this season, how long will Smith really last here? KC was ready to move on from Smith after a 10-6 season!

And I don't get why folks are OK with last season and say we were competitive. We were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs by week 15. We were never competitive this season. Anybody think we are going to be better when we are just treading water with moves like this?

What is your alternative solution at QB for next year? If you don’t have a QB, your chances of any possibility of success are next to zero.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Cousins is gonna make a killing in free agency now.


My guess is highest paid player in the NFL at a 27 million per year clip. That's insane

I'm guessing 28.5/yr with Denver

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm guessing 28.5/yr with Denver

Wow. I don’t know. I guess it comes down to which would have pissed me off more, 27-29 mil per with cousins or last night circus.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

seems like you and I are the only ones not mad about this move, I actually LOVE it

I'm with you guys.

Well, let's put it this way:

1) I love having Alex Smith here. Solid starter that can take us all the way with the team around him. Or at the very least win games while we develop a prospect (which we could draft this year, next year or the year after that).


2) But I do think the Chiefs "won" that trade, if I'm a Chiefs fan I'm thinking:
-We have our QB of the future
-We freed 17M in cap room, and Smith was only here for one more year anyway
-We got a rising young corner... And a 3rd, we'll take that!


So, not sure I LOVE the trade, but I do love that we solved our QB situation at a reasonable price and can move on!

[MTK]

Cousins is going to have several teams after him which will only drive up his price. No way he settles for anything less than being the highest paid player in the NFL.

[FrenchSkin]

I also have a question for those who are 100% positive we got worst at QB: looking at stats, points, wins, and tape, what 12 QBs are without any doubt way better than Alex Smith ?

[mahomes]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We will see man, time will tell. If he wins us games and playoff games we will be happy

As a chiefs fan for 50 years having seen every snap of alex's in chief's uniform
you will go wanting. Gronk is injured alot now kelce is the best tight end, kareem hunt was top 3 rb in production, tyrek hill can not be covered down field. Smith will break your heart. The long ball stats are an illusion. He completes wobbly duck 30 yard passes that others would have scored tds on. WR waits for smith duck db catches up to hill makes stop. FG instead of TD.Outsiders like you see stats regarding 30 yd completion and think he's good.
May GOD have mercy on you guys but smith as your qb will drain your soul.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by mahomes

As a chiefs fan for 50 years having seen every snap of alex's in chief's uniform
you will go wanting. Gronk is injured alot now kelce is the best tight end, kareem hunt was top 3 rb in production, tyrek hill can not be covered down field. Smith will break your heart. The long ball stats are an illusion. He completes wobbly duck 30 yard passes that others would have scored tds on. WR waits for smith duck db catches up to hill makes stop. FG instead of TD.Outsiders like you see stats regarding 30 yd completion and think he's good.
May good have mercy on you guys but smith as your qb will drain your soul.

Our souls have been on E with a flashing light for miles.

[sdskinsfan2001]

People are using how we fucked this up years ago as part of their judgment on this trade. That was already done and over with.

In a vacuum, I think the team did the best they could, and they must've known that either Kirk was absolutely leaving or absolutely not accepting any thing less than an insane contract.

We resign Zach Brown, draft Denzel Ward and Sony Michel (or similar players) in the 1st 2 rounds, and bring in a good FA LG and lets get after it.