Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)

[NYCskinfan82]

I think PM is going anywhere but the NFC EAST does not want to compete with his brother to make the playoffs. IMO he wouldn't mind playing him in the playoffs & SB but not the division.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by celts32

I want RG3 but I don't think most people are saying signing Manning is a bad thing. Manning and RG3 is like selecting between a Filet and a NY Strip...I only take issue with those who suggest we have a hamburger instead...

Come on.... thought I heard there was a $5000 hamburger out there somewhere?

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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

That video is inconclusive. Also, not ONCE during the presser did Manning say he's healthy.

Let's be real here, if Manning was even close to 100%, there's no presser today and the Colts are talking about Manning under center, Luck behind him, to start the season.

I don't think so. Colts had a "perfect storm" of sorts this off-season with so many FAs and the #1 pick. Time was ripe for a change

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I think PM is going anywhere but the NFC EAST does not want to compete with his brother to make the playoffs. IMO he wouldn't mind playing him in the playoffs & SB but not the division.

PM is a competitor and will go where he feels the most comfortable playing, it doesnt matter what division.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

Smoot,

Any chance that Manning signs with someone today?

I know you didn't ask me but I doubt it. He should make his rounds check out each facility and make his decision. Someone will give him the money he's looking for.

What I wonder is how many teams already were in touch with the Agent and could there already be a deal in place with some team? say the Skins and an agreement to bring on board specific players he wanted to have brought here with him when FA starts? Only then would we see him sign something so quick.

[mooby]

I think anyone who thinks Peyton is scared of competing in the same division as his brother is crazy. If me and my brother both played quarterback in the NFL, I would relish the opportunity to play him twice a year in the same division. I would think most brothers feel the same way. Look at the way he acts. Does anybody think his competitive fire would hold him back from signing with us?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think anyone who thinks Peyton is scared of competing in the same division as his brother is crazy. If me and my brother both played quarterback in the NFL, I would relish the opportunity to play him twice a year in the same division. I would think most brothers feel the same way. Look at the way he acts. Does anybody think his competitive fire would hold him back from signing with us?

If they compete when it comes to Oreos, they'll compete when it comes to football.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Was Demarcus Ware breathing down his neck? No. Everyone looks great when there's no pass rush. Oh..and how do you figure he's going to hold up with our shaky o-line? Sorry but I just can't invest in a 36 year old qb who sat out a year cause he had to have multiple neck procedures that sucked the life out of his arm. Too risky. Again, why can't we just go out and get our own guy? Build around him for the next 12-15 years...like all the other winning organizations do.

My point is Montana had the same surgery and took some serious hits and he did fine. They say every year several players have this surgery. I thought several had the same surgery last year and only PM was the one not playing. If there was any situation where the doctors felt his neck surgery put him in a postition to be paralized or break on a serious hit they wouldn't clear him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Interesting note by Rich Cimini that the Jets could save $9 million by cutting Sanchez this offseason (before March 28 I believe).

Anyhow, suppose he went to one of those other teams and suddenly Orton, Kolb, or Sanchez are on the market....who do you want?

Kolb. Although Orton is the (slightly) better player for 2012, I'd rather have Kolb.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sure.

Not sure

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

That video is inconclusive. Also, not ONCE during the presser did Manning say he's healthy.

Let's be real here, if Manning was even close to 100%, there's no presser today and the Colts are talking about Manning under center, Luck behind him, to start the season.

Or... lets be more serious.... the team realized its mistake in giving him such a big contract with so much guarenteed money, plus the fact PM saying to the public no way he wants to stay if they draft Luck, along with the fact everyone around him coaching wise was let go, and him getting a $28 mill dollar bonus (bonus not paycheck). I'm sure the owner is glad to be done with the bad contract and ready to start anew with fresh coaching, fresh QB, and build another power house.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I think PM is going anywhere but the NFC EAST does not want to compete with his brother to make the playoffs. IMO he wouldn't mind playing him in the playoffs & SB but not the division.

Everyone acts like he doesn't want to be a thorn in his brothers side and won't come to the NFCE. What if he's looking at it from a different perspective, He gets to see his brother twice a year, family gets to get together twice a year, family is all on the East coast with in 8 hrs of each other so mom and dad won't have to travel too far when visiting.

I figure PM wants another ring as do most of us. He can come here get his ring and bug out if he wants and his brother will still have several more yrs to play. Better yet how about he comes and plays for us for a year or two, then moves into some sort of coaching position to get more rings if possible.

I know, I know, PM may not want to coach or may not be a good teacher. Hell all he would have to do is help devise an offensive scheme each week. Maybe if he and KS get along, MS can step back and stay in the front office and give the HCing job to KS and PM can be the OC?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What is this about Manning having great skill players around him all his life? Were Garcon, Collie, Gonzalez, Clark really that skilled or did Manning make them so?

Originally Posted by celts32

No...he made everyone on that list what they are. Even Wayne and Harrison drop a couple notches with almost any other QB.

I think you have to take each player case by case. I think sometimes in a rush to say the most obvious thing quickly (and before it becomes too obvious), it's easy to reinforce looking at the Colts as this well oiled machine instead of this group of individuals who might someday have a 2-14 season.

Dallas Clark? Dallas Clark wouldn't have been a great player on another team? Can we start there? Dallas Clark is a pretty darn good NFL player. Same with Anthony Gonzalez: his career is where it is now because he can't stay healthy, not because he was overdrafted.

Pierre Garcon? I mean, Peyton Manning didn't make Pierre Garcon a consistent NFL receiver. Garcon doesn't catch the ball consistently. He actually had his best season overall in terms of making the catch with Curtis Painter at quarterback. I'm sure this doesn't reflect on Painter as the next Manning, it's just that we can say that Pierre Garcon wasn't very good as a member of the Colts.

That leaves Collie, who was fantastic with Manning, and awful with Collins and Painter. Fortunately, Peyton Manning accomplished enough with the Colts where he won't be remembered as "that guy who gave Austin Collie a career." And frankly, I'm not all that swayed by the argument that Manning is great -- not because he wins or throws for 40,000 yards and 40 TDs regularly -- but because Austin Collie had fantasy value playing with him.

[SBXVII]

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[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Healthy or not I don't think there was a chance they were going to bring him back. They made it clear when they hired a new GM and head coach that they were cleaning house and moving on. Plus you don't draft a guy like Luck and sit him for 2-3 years.

Cause and effect: Manning's injury precipitated related events. A healthy Manning and the Colts are probably close to being a playoff team.

Anyway...it is what it is at this point.