Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I'd gladly take that risk.

No different then any of us since we need a QB. No different then I'd take a risk on RGIII at #6, but he won't be there. and to move up will be too costly.

It's already been said that the Skins supposedly or might have or something to that effect have offered:

2012: 1st, 2nd,3rd.
2013: 1st.

^to me thats too much. No way is he worth all that. I was against it when it was supposed to be this years 1st and 2nd and next years 1st and 3rd. Why would I want the team to simply shuffle the deck as to how and when those picks get distributed.

[celts32]

People need to understand that we are gambling this whole regime on the QB we pick. Whether it's RG3 or some guy in the 2nd round. If the QB we pick is not good then the whole thing may get blown up in a couple years. New coaches want their own players...all these picks and players some people want to keep hoarding and building with could end up out the door if they don't fit the system of the new regime. I don't know about anyone else but i would rather risk everything we are building on a QB that most of the scouts in the NFL agree on then a later round guy that comes with mixed reviews.

The Manning thing however is a different story...if he's healthy and some prefer that route then I won't argue it because when healthy he's an all time great. I just personally prefer the RG3 route...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

People need to understand that we are gambling this whole regime on the QB we pick. Whether it's RG3 or some guy in the 2nd round. If the QB we pick is not good then the whole thing may get blown up in a couple years. New coaches want their own players...all these picks and players some people want to keep hoarding and building with could end up out the door if they don't fit the system of the new regime. I don't know about anyone else but i would rather risk everything we are building on a QB that most of the scouts in the NFL agree on then a later round guy that comes with mixed reviews.

The Manning thing however is a different story...if he's healthy and some prefer that route then I won't argue it because when healthy he's an all time great. I just personally prefer the RG3 route...

Perfectly stated all around.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by celts32

People need to understand that we are gambling this whole regime on the QB we pick. Whether it's RG3 or some guy in the 2nd round. If the QB we pick is not good then the whole thing may get blown up in a couple years. New coaches want their own players...all these picks and players some people want to keep hoarding and building with could end up out the door if they don't fit the system of the new regime. I don't know about anyone else but i would rather risk everything we are building on a QB that most of the scouts in the NFL agree on then a later round guy that comes with mixed reviews.

The Manning thing however is a different story...if he's healthy and some prefer that route then I won't argue it because when healthy he's an all time great. I just personally prefer the RG3 route...

If. IF. Everyone always uses this word when referring to Peyton Manning. That seems like a risk to me. If he's healthy. Sure he is an all time great. But you are telling me that you aren't gambling your entire regime on this guy as well? What if he can't play at as high a level and does poorly? We most likely will not have a competent replacement for him at QB that can be plugged in immediately. How much scrutiny will Shanny face when he whiffs on his second FA QB after McNabb? You think people won't be going for his head then?

At least if he goes for a guy like RG3 and whiffs there is a precedent for that. The only draft recently where two or more QB's were drafted in the top 5 and went on to be great NFL QB's was in 2004 with Rivers and Manning. More often than not, top 5 QB's don't become elite level players in the NFL, but when they do, they carry that franchise for years. And to me, that is worth the risk instead of a old FA bandaid.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

People need to understand that we are gambling this whole regime on the QB we pick. Whether it's RG3 or some guy in the 2nd round. If the QB we pick is not good then the whole thing may get blown up in a couple years. New coaches want their own players...all these picks and players some people want to keep hoarding and building with could end up out the door if they don't fit the system of the new regime. I don't know about anyone else but i would rather risk everything we are building on a QB that most of the scouts in the NFL agree on then a later round guy that comes with mixed reviews.

The Manning thing however is a different story...if he's healthy and some prefer that route then I won't argue it because when healthy he's an all time great. I just personally prefer the RG3 route...

Agreed. Might as well go big or go home at this point. MS has a lot riding on this season, and I think the fan base in general needs something to rally around and to put butts in the seats.

[irish]

Originally Posted by celts32

People need to understand that we are gambling this whole regime on the QB we pick. Whether it's RG3 or some guy in the 2nd round. If the QB we pick is not good then the whole thing may get blown up in a couple years. New coaches want their own players...all these picks and players some people want to keep hoarding and building with could end up out the door if they don't fit the system of the new regime. I don't know about anyone else but i would rather risk everything we are building on a QB that most of the scouts in the NFL agree on then a later round guy that comes with mixed reviews.

The Manning thing however is a different story...if he's healthy and some prefer that route then I won't argue it because when healthy he's an all time great. I just personally prefer the RG3 route...

When the Steelers went from Cowher to Tomlinson they didnt jettison a bunch of players. I think most solidly built teams dont send players packing when they change coaches but then again most solid teams dont changes coaches that often.

The Redskins are not a solidly built organization and have had a revolving door at head coach. I think a big reason the Redskins seem to have major roster overhaul with every coaching change is because the roster isnt that good to begin with.

Like I said in another post, if RGIII is there at 6 take him but I dont want to see them get rid of a bunch of picks to get him because the team is still has a lot of holes to fill.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by irish

When the Steelers went from Cowher to Tomlinson they didnt jettison a bunch of players. I think most solidly built teams dont send players packing when they change coaches but then again most solid teams dont changes coaches that often.

The Redskins are not a solidly built organization and have had a revolving door at head coach. I think a big reason the Redskins seem to have major roster overhaul with every coaching change is because the roster isnt that good to begin with.

Like I said in another post, if RGIII is there at 6 take him but I dont want to see them get rid of a bunch of picks to get him because the team is still has a lot of holes to fill.

You just compared the Redskins situation to the most stable organization in sports...they have had 3 coaches in 50 years! And they were a winning team at the time Cohwer left that did not need any changes. I am referring to firings where it's not going well and teams clean house. Generally in those situations new people come in and they make wholesale changes.

[CRedskinsRule]

With RGIII, if we were to get him, I would be thrilled to get Webb from Minnesota as our backup. Personally I would like Webb regardless of our starting qb, but he would be an ideal complement to RGIII's style, and if/when RGIII went down, I don't think we would miss a beat.

In fantasy/Madden thinking, could you imagine a Wildcat formation involving RGIII/Webb/Davis/Helu. should be fun drawing up plays at least!

[SmootSmack]

Even just 60% healthy, Manning is still one of the best QBs in the NFL. But that's just my opinion.

I mean we just came off a season of Rex and Beck as our QBs...so, I honestly find it difficult to be too critical of our "aggressive" efforts to improve the QB position. It's long overdue

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Even just 60% healthy, Manning is still one of the best QBs in the NFL. But that's just my opinion.

I mean we just came off a season of Rex and Beck as our QBs...so, I honestly find it difficult to be too critical of our "aggressive" efforts to improve the QB position. It's long overdue

I agree with that. He most definitely would be an upgrade over what we have now. I'm just worried he won't even be able to play at 60%.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Even just 60% healthy, Manning is still one of the best QBs in the NFL. But that's just my opinion.

I mean we just came off a season of Rex and Beck as our QBs...so, I honestly find it difficult to be too critical of our "aggressive" efforts to improve the QB position. It's long overdue

no doubt

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Even just 60% healthy, Manning is still one of the best QBs in the NFL. But that's just my opinion.

I mean we just came off a season of Rex and Beck as our QBs...so, I honestly find it difficult to be too critical of our "aggressive" efforts to improve the QB position. It's long overdue

Ultimately I'd prefer to go the Manning route too, save the picks, and spend wisely (and be aggressive) in free agency.

Sounds like interest is heating up around the league. I wonder if anything has changed regarding his arm strength.

Watching Jeff Saturday at the combine, you could tell he was really chomping at the bit when defending PM. He said he has no doubt PM is going to play this year, and play well. I know they're close and he could just be defending his friend, but at the same time it's safe to assume he knows more about how his recovery is going than most.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ultimately I'd prefer to go the Manning route too, save the picks, and spend wisely (and be aggressive) in free agency.

Sounds like interest is heating up around the league. I wonder if anything has changed regarding his arm strength.

Watching Jeff Saturday at the combine, you could tell he was really chomping at the bit when defending PM. He said he has no doubt PM is going to play this year, and play well. I know they're close and he could just be defending his friend, but at the same time it's safe to assume he knows more about how his recovery is going than most.

I agree 100%. i'd love to get manning, garcon, and saturday and use our #6 pick on the best OT available, perhaps even moving Williams to the right side if necessary.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree 100%. i'd love to get manning, garcon, and saturday and use our #6 pick on the best OT available, perhaps even moving Williams to the right side if necessary.

That be like getting Bird, McHale and Parish in 1991, no thanks!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ultimately I'd prefer to go the Manning route too, save the picks, and spend wisely (and be aggressive) in free agency.

Sounds like interest is heating up around the league. I wonder if anything has changed regarding his arm strength.

Watching Jeff Saturday at the combine, you could tell he was really chomping at the bit when defending PM. He said he has no doubt PM is going to play this year, and play well. I know they're close and he could just be defending his friend, but at the same time it's safe to assume he knows more about how his recovery is going than most.

I have a RG3 man crush at the moment but Manning/Tannehill has always made a hell of a lot of sense also.