Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.

Well, yeah you do have other players on the roster. You do not have another "Trent Williams". Next man up.

But there is a reason why teams get to have 90 players on the roster entering training camp.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Well, yeah you do have other players on the roster. You do not have another "Trent Williams". Next man up.



But there is a reason why teams get to have 90 players on the roster entering training camp.

A team could have 290 players on the roster, or more, and the chances one of them is a Hall of Fame LT is not great. At all. It is a huge problem.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

A team could have 290 players on the roster, or more, and the chances one of them is a Hall of Fame LT is not great. At all. It is a huge problem.

Not arguing that it is not. But simply pointing out that with or without TW, someone will be lining up at LT on September 8th. To say there is 'literally no one' to play LT is an overstatement.

They may not be as good as TW. But do they have to be as good as Trent to be successful? Do you absolutely need a HOF caliber LT to succeed?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Not arguing that it is not. But simply pointing out that with or without TW, someone will be lining up at LT on September 8th. To say there is 'literally no one' to play LT is an overstatement.

They may not be as good as TW. But do they have to be as good as Trent to be successful? Do you absolutely need a HOF caliber LT to succeed?

On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10.

And keep your rookie, hopefully future franchise QB off the IR list.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10.

Dense is a bit strong. Please read my statements a little more carefully. I was in agreement that Trent is a difference maker. My point is the team can succeed with a LT that is a notch or two below TWs skillset. I will remind you that the Eagles 'star LT' Jason Peters went on IR after 7 games in 2017 and did not play in the playoffs or Super Bowl that the Eagles won that season.

And we do not know if you have your 'Zeke/Saquon' yet. Guice coming back healthy and he can be a difference maker. I think he will beast it out. I am stoked about the RBs in the NFC East this season.....Saquon, Zeke, Guice.....rock on.

Holy shit. I am the Cowboys fan on this board and I am the only one with faith and hope for the Redskins? I need a drink.

[Chico23231]

Dude...FFS, if you have been paying attention to the SKins the past couple seasons, most issues with the team concern the health and performance of the Oline. And now we are facing a crisis with the most important player of the of the line at the most important position, LT.

We need to get this solved and bring Trent back into the fold before camp starts.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Dude...FFS, if you have been paying attention to the SKins the past couple seasons, most issues with the team concern the health and performance of the Oline. And now we are facing a crisis with the most important player of the of the line at the most important position, LT.

We need to get this solved and bring Trent back into the fold before camp starts.

And one of the players who we've had health concerns with is.... wait for it...

Trent Williams.

He is 31 and has only been playing 75% of games lately. Due to the kind of injuries he's had and how often he's played hurt, John Clayton said on John Keim's podcast that he would probably have a shorter career than some other LTs. He's not a guy whose likely to be playing football in 5 years. He likely will be done in 2 or maybe 3. We have him under contract for 2 more years.

Its not like the team has done Trent wrong financially. When he signed his current contract, the team made him the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. His contract is still among the top in the league. And again, he has not one, but two more years, on it. If Trent didn't want to play out that contract, he should have negotiated one with a shorter term.

Also, we don't need Trent "back in the fold" before training camp. He doesn't need the practice. His holdout will not extend into the regular season. This is really about the money and he won't want to miss the game checks. So this is not the "crisis" many are making it out to be.

The team may decided to restructure his current deal a bit to guarantee a little bit more of the money on it. Maybe give him an extra $500,000 bonus or something. But it would be downright foolish of them to give him any deal that would guarantee any new money beyond the next two years. All that would do is create a situation where we have a lot of money allocated to a player who will likely be missing more and more time as his health and performance declines.

[skinsfaninok]

Per Trent's Social media, he is having a procedure today as well.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Dense is a bit strong. Please read my statements a little more carefully. I was in agreement that Trent is a difference maker. My point is the team can succeed with a LT that is a notch or two below TWs skillset. I will remind you that the Eagles 'star LT' Jason Peters went on IR after 7 games in 2017 and did not play in the playoffs or Super Bowl that the Eagles won that season.

And we do not know if you have your 'Zeke/Saquon' yet. Guice coming back healthy and he can be a difference maker. I think he will beast it out. I am stoked about the RBs in the NFC East this season.....Saquon, Zeke, Guice.....rock on.

Holy shit. I am the Cowboys fan on this board and I am the only one with faith and hope for the Redskins? I need a drink.

Because you're an idiot. Comparing this Redskins team to the 2017 Eagles is nothing short of asinine. The Eagles may have succeeded without Peters but THIS team will not succeed without Trent.

There's a massive difference in the rosters - they had two very good QBs and we're not sure we even have one. They had receiving threats all over the place (who stayed healthy) in Ertz, Jeffrey, Agholor, Trey Burton, etc, we have one proven one who can't stay healthy (Reed). It's a ridiculous comparison that makes you look like you watch football as often as my grandmother.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because you're an idiot. Comparing this Redskins team to the 2017 Eagles is nothing short of asinine. The Eagles may have succeeded without Peters but THIS team will not succeed without Trent.

There's a massive difference in the rosters - they had two very good QBs and we're not sure we even have one. They had receiving threats all over the place (who stayed healthy) in Ertz, Jeffrey, Agholor, Trey Burton, etc, we have one proven one who can't stay healthy (Reed). It's a ridiculous comparison that makes you look like you watch football as often as my grandmother.

You take thinks so literal and so personal. Ease up. Was not trying to compare. Just making an example. If you are saying that Trent Williams is the cog that makes this team go and if he is not on the field, you might as well mail in the season and get that first pick in the 2020 draft. My point is PROFESSIONAL football teams in the NFL play and win games every week with injuries to key positions such as LT. But you act as if there is no hope if TW is not on the field. I do not agree.

But we'll do it your way.....You have finally convinced me. The Redskins are the dumpster fire you describe.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You take thinks so literal and so personal. Ease up. Was not trying to compare. Just making an example. If you are saying that Trent Williams is the cog that makes this team go and if he is not on the field, you might as well mail in the season and get that first pick in the 2020 draft. My point is PROFESSIONAL football teams in the NFL play and win games every week with injuries to key positions such as LT. But you act as if there is no hope if TW is not on the field. I do not agree.

But we'll do it your way.....You have finally convinced me. The Redskins are the dumpster fire you describe.

Glad we're finally on the same page.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because you're an idiot. Comparing this Redskins team to the 2017 Eagles is nothing short of asinine. The Eagles may have succeeded without Peters but THIS team will not succeed without Trent.

There's a massive difference in the rosters - they had two very good QBs and we're not sure we even have one. They had receiving threats all over the place (who stayed healthy) in Ertz, Jeffrey, Agholor, Trey Burton, etc, we have one proven one who can't stay healthy (Reed). It's a ridiculous comparison that makes you look like you watch football as often as my grandmother.

Not cool, Homie. Feel free to express your opinions and make your points but treat others with respect.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by los panda

Not cool, Homie. Feel free to express your opinions and make your points but treat others with respect.

Respect is earned, not given.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Per Trent's Social media, he is having a procedure today as well.

Hopefully he's ok and its nothing serious.