John Beck Era Begins

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Hankerson's on Twitter

Thats all I read before I realized that this wasn't going to end well.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think Beck did well considering circumstances...and by circumstances I mostly mean play-calling, dropped passes, some poor route running and a generally underwhelming WR corp. In the 1st half Kyle called a good deal of running plays, which was smart. It got the o-line rolling and Hightower was racking up the yards. The sporadic pass plays didn't give Beck an opportunity to get into rhythm, and since it was his first pro start since 2007 I'm sure he'll need to feel in a rhythm for awhile at least to be effective.

In the 2nd half Kyle went away from the run, which helped Beck out and showed everyone the guy is capable of managing the game and minimizing mistakes and turnovers (compared to Rex) but I think Kyle had the wrong strategy. We should have run the effing ball down their throat and controlled the clock i.e. slowed the game down. It's sort of gotten ridiculous how little opportunity Helu gets.

So yeah my impression is Beck will be good enough to win once he gets comfortable and if we start pounding the rock. I don't trust Kyle to do this. I'm wishing more than anything Mike would take over the offense at this point. It's stupid to say Kyle would have more success if we had the right personnel to fit his scheme, because we don't. We don't have a top tier WR and QB, let along one of either. Pound the rock and stop effing around.

And obviously the defense needs to show up for Beck's performance to matter at all.

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

I totally agree. This team has an O line that is barely servicable and with Hightower out no real threat at RB. There was an interesting artice in today's WP where Carolina's D was saying they pretty much knew what plays the Redskins were going to run (and calling them out at the line) because they saw on film how limited the Skins are in what they can do on O. I think Kyle's system works fine as he showed in Houston but unfortunately he doesnt have nearly enough talent to run the system how he wants.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

Agreed. We need to pound the rock, but it shouldn't be run, run, pass every...stinking...drive. Seriously, Kyle might as well flip a coin before calling a play. If heads = run, if tails=pass. (Toss a coin 100 times and record the data. There will be streaks of consective heads and consecutive tails)

It'll give a better mix than just calling the plays willy-nilly.

[Monkeydad]

Overall, I thought Beck did very well for his first start since 2007.

Started out a little rocky with the fumble and the one pass he through right into the LB's chest but was luckily dropped, but he settled down and moved the offense efficiently despite not having Cooley, Moss, Hightower and a couple of good offensive linemen. The main thing that was obvious is his mobility (2 rushing TDs already) and how he uses that mobility to give himself more time to throw. He makes smart throws most of the time and is very accurate. Beck is a big upgrade over Grossman and it's not even debatable. He's smarter on the field, he's more accurate, more mobile and can move the offense in a smart way, rather than the all-or-nothing way that Rex runs the team.

He'll get better every week. Remember, he's still basically a rookie, possibly could consider him a second-year player. He's had 5 starts. I'm looking forward to watching him all year. When he gets some weapons and Trent Williams back around him, we should be able to make these FGs into TDs.

[CRedskinsRule]

I like that he has made those two TDs, they both likely would have been FG attempts if it weren't for his mobility. Time will tell, and I still worry about his fumbling, but he seems to be a better fit for the offense. I hope it shows up in the W column soon.

[Monkeydad]

There's no way you can be MORE worried about Beck's fumbling than Grossman's!

With a game on the line, I'll take John over Rex every time. We've watched Rex choke over and over.

[MTK]

For a guy who went 4 years between starts, I thought Beck was ok. He seemed to get more comfortable as the game went on. Obviously though, his performance wasn't the story of the day.

The D's inability to stop anyone the last 2 weeks is a big concern.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

Oh Lord have mercy. Children, children! No no, you've got it all wrong. Don't you see, children? You have the heart, but you don't have the soul. Nono, wait. You have the soul, but you don't have the heart. Nono, scratch that. You have the heart and the soul, but you don't have the talent.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Hankerson's on Twitter bitching and moaning about the INT. Saying people should stop blaming him if they weren't in the huddle. I'm like, dude save it.

Anywho, after he settled down Beck had a solid game. Hopefully he get's more comfortable in the system and finds his grove.

But I counted at least three or four plays where Rex would have either taken a sack or thrown an int. The guy has some nice wheels.

Now we are predicting that Rex would have done worse. Wow. honestly folks. Beck didn't do any better then Grossman. 2 turnovers and it could have been 3.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Now we are predicting that Rex would have done worse. Wow. honestly folks. Beck didn't do any better then Grossman. 2 turnovers and it could have been 3.

He did do better

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Bucket

He did do better

Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

Oh Lord have mercy. Children, children! No no, you've got it all wrong. Don't you see, children? You have the heart, but you don't have the soul. Nono, wait. You have the soul, but you don't have the heart. Nono, scratch that. You have the heart and the soul, but you don't have the talent.

Umm, elaborate please? Are you telling me there are playmakers all over this roster?

And what about the larger point that I made? That "pounding the rock" 55 times a game won't solve all our problems on offense?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Umm, elaborate please? Are you telling me there are playmakers all over this roster?

And what about the larger point that I made? That "pounding the rock" 55 times a game won't solve all our problems on offense?

You need to watch more South Park

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.

Both.. Beck is our savior. Don't deny it.