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[OmahaRedskins]

I do not give a shit how BA snag 4 starters in his one and only draft class. He did it and that class is a big part of the turn around. He may not be a top 5 GM or Team President, but has done a nice job at Washington. For the most part he has kept Dan in check and we have had two winning seasons in a row.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Enough with the Allen lovefest. Are some of you forgetting Andre Roberts? Or him pissing away draft picks on two QB's? Or what about missing on Hatcher?

His 14 draft class is average. Murphy is an ok player. Breeland basically stunk last year. He's another average player. Moses is a solid starter for us. Reed is a really good pass catching TE but can't block. Long is another average player.

Just not a fan of Allen as someone who can build a team via draft. He's like Snyder and loves free agents. That's one reason they get along.

Average class? 4 starters is average? That is a lot better than average. Murphy spent all summer bulking up to play D-line and then because of injuries he switched back to outside linebacker. Breeland was consider our number 1 corner prior to Josh Norman. He had a bad season, but that doesn't mean he is not a good player. Don't forget the piss poor secondary coaching helped with his regression. Finally, two starting offensive lineman, and they are considered a top 5 unit.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Honestly it could Jesus Christ in charge of the Skins and some of you would still complain.

If not BA then who? Remember they got want come here too and deal with DS.

Are you successfully repressing the Shanahan years? Bruce has been here since Vinny got fired in 2009, everything between then and McC has been Bruce's drafts. Who was responsible for RG3? Is that all Dan or does Bruce deserve some of that blame too? We know Mike and Kyle didn't want him.

[Evilgrin]

You can't base everything off one draft, good or bad.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Are you successfully repressing the Shanahan years? Bruce has been here since Vinny got fired in 2009, everything between then and McC has been Bruce's drafts. Who was responsible for RG3? Is that all Dan or does Bruce deserve some of that blame too? We know Mike and Kyle didn't want him.

Mike had final say on all roster decisions. If he really did not want RG3 he would not have made the trade. Mike can deflect and blame Dan, but Dan was a lost puppy with with Mike and would have he followed his decision.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

You can't base everything off one draft, good or bad.

You're right, but damn it was a nice draft class.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Are you successfully repressing the Shanahan years? Bruce has been here since Vinny got fired in 2009, everything between then and McC has been Bruce's drafts. Who was responsible for RG3? Is that all Dan or does Bruce deserve some of that blame too? We know Mike and Kyle didn't want him.

Biggest issue...their decision making at the qb position. Because if you believe it's just Bruce, your wrong. Bruce/Dan working together in tandem. McC takes that away...which is the main reason I'm 100% in favor in doing everything thing possible to keep McC in the gm seat.

Doug Williams...that's just another yes man for dan. Pass

[FRPLG]

The reality... For all DS's faults, perceived and real, the one stone cold fact is that he is simply bad at hiring good football people.

[Bangee7]

So far, I view Scott as a college scout genius, although last year's draft still needs to pick up the pace. (I know ...more time is needed before passing full judgement).

But, I don't view Scott as a top GM by any means yet. He hasn't proven his skills in Free Agency, which unfortunately is still a big need for us.

For the record, I think this franchise got much more professional since Bruce Allen came on board and our Cap situation has definitely improved. For me, that is a better place than where we were a few years ago.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Mike had final say on all roster decisions. If he really did not want RG3 he would not have made the trade. Mike can deflect and blame Dan, but Dan was a lost puppy with with Mike and would have he followed his decision.

I'm not sitting here trying to defend Mike, he made poor picks at coaches and he bears partial blame for the poor drafting past the first round (T.Will and Ryan K. were good picks), but do you really think Mike S. would've stood his ground and told Dan/Bruce no if Dan wanted RG3 no matter the cost?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm not sitting here trying to defend Mike, he made poor picks at coaches and he bears partial blame for the poor drafting past the first round (T.Will and Ryan K. were good picks), but do you really think Mike S. would've stood his ground and told Dan/Bruce no if Dan wanted RG3 no matter the cost?

This ^^^^^^

Similar to the Jeff Fisher / Jared Goff situation, Shanahan absolutely did not want RG3, that is why he took Cousins as well to have as a backup plan. I believe Shanahan has said that several times. At the end of the day MS tried to make RG3 work because that was what he was paid to do.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Average class? 4 starters is average? That is a lot better than average. Murphy spent all summer bulking up to play D-line and then because of injuries he switched back to outside linebacker. Breeland was consider our number 1 corner prior to Josh Norman. He had a bad season, but that doesn't mean he is not a good player. Don't forget the piss poor secondary coaching helped with his regression. Finally, two starting offensive lineman, and they are considered a top 5 unit.

Murphy wasn't a starter and hasn't been since he's been here. Solid rotational guy and all, he's certainly improved since he's been here. No one is game planning to stop Trent Murphy.

We are not a top 5 line. Sorry but when you can't run the ball on 3rd and 1 cause your back gets blown up at the line you are not a top 5 unit. Now if you're just talking about pass blocking, then we can have a conversation. They seem to really be pretty good at that, Moses has turned into a good starter.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Honestly it could Jesus Christ in charge of the Skins and some of you would still complain.

If not BA then who? Remember they got want come here too and deal with DS.

Actually I really think the direction where we're heading is fine. I'm pro Scot and believe in the way he builds a team. The way Dan and Bruce do it is a loser way to build a team and their results speak for themselves.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Enough with the Allen lovefest. Are some of you forgetting Andre Roberts? Or him pissing away draft picks on two QB's? Or what about missing on Hatcher?

His 14 draft class is average. Murphy is an ok player. Breeland basically stunk last year. He's another average player. Moses is a solid starter for us. Reed is a really good pass catching TE but can't block. Long is another average player.

Just not a fan of Allen as someone who can build a team via draft. He's like Snyder and loves free agents. That's one reason they get along.

So your complaining about the 2013 draft class, remember the team was in shambles after the cap penalty and had no picks.


ROUND PICK PLAYER SCHOOL
2 51 CB David Amerson North Carolina State
3 85 TE Jordan Reed Florida
4 119 S Phillip Thomas Fresno State
5 154 RB Chris Thompson Florida State
5 162 LB Brandon Jenkins Florida State
6 191 S Bacarri Rambo Georgia
7 228 RB Jawan Jamison Rutgers

Amerson, solid player unfortunately not for us (coaches fault for not pushing
him)
Reed, All pro
Thompson, solid contributor

That is a good draft class for no first rounder. 1 difference maker and two solid players.

you mention Andre Roberts, that was a big miss, but I challenge you to name a free agent that Scot has picked up that wasn't a big miss (not including Norman because that was a no brainer) I mean we are talking Kendall Reyes, david Bruton, jaron Johnson, Stephen Peae, Chris Culliver, Ricky jean is OK

that cupboard is bare my friend

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Honestly it could Jesus Christ in charge of the Skins and some of you would still complain.

If not BA then who? Remember they got want come here too and deal with DS.

Some people just can't be happy