Campbell A Raider

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I guess they missed the part about him being one of the biggest busts in club history

Not really, when I think of Redskins busts, Heath Shuler...ARGH.

He's still a gigantic upgrade over their own bust QB.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

Not really, when I think of Redskins busts, Heath Shuler...ARGH.

He's still a gigantic upgrade over their own bust QB.

I know, he's not a bust. Just being sarcastic in regard to those that think he is.

[Monkeydad]

It's getting tough to detect sarcasm vs. serious posts around here lately. There have been some ridiculous trains of thought since Zorn took the job.

Sure there was always a few loonies, but they seem to have multiplied in the past 2 years. Maybe it's all of the ES bannings.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Buster

Not really, when I think of Redskins busts, Heath Shuler...ARGH.

He's still a gigantic upgrade over their own bust QB.

Sure HS was a bust but the Skins didnt give away a bunch of picks to get him. To me its all those picks that they gave away is what puts the bust label on JC. Not only did JC not pan out they didnt get ant benefit from the 3 picks they gave away to get him. That's a 4 player loss and a pretty big hit.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure HS was a bust but the Skins didnt give away a bunch of picks to get him. To me its all those picks that they gave away is what puts the bust label on JC. Not only did JC not pan out they didnt get ant benefit from the 3 picks they gave away to get him. That's a 4 player loss and a pretty big hit.

So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Check out the resume on JC that the Raiders site posted:

Raiders Acquire QB Jason Campbell



Wow. 6th all time in passing yards for the Skins, highest completion % in club history?

Never thought of him that way.

well when most of your QBs only play for like a year or three, you can climb the charts pretty quickly lol

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?

he's closer to what you'd call a draft bust than an actual bust

it wasn't his fault that we gave up all of that for him

[SolidSnake84]

I dont think JC is a bust. I just felt like he was an underachiever. He wasn't good enough to make a bad team better. He could keep a decent team decent. And that's why i think he will do fair in Oakland. They are a young team on the rise, and he is a sensible QB that does just enough to preserve a win. He will not be their Rich Gannon, and i dont think anyone expects him to be.

Remember he still has to beat out Gradkowski and Kyle Boller, because all news says that JaMarcus Russell will be released in the coming days...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

he's closer to what you'd call a draft bust than an actual bust

it wasn't his fault that we gave up all of that for him

Ok I can buy that he's a "draft bust" in regard to what was given up for him, but a bust in the traditional sense of the word in regard to his on field performance, no.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

he's closer to what you'd call a draft bust than an actual bust

it wasn't his fault that we gave up all of that for him

That's the difference that I was trying to tease out.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure HS was a bust but the Skins didnt give away a bunch of picks to get him. To me its all those picks that they gave away is what puts the bust label on JC. Not only did JC not pan out they didnt get ant benefit from the 3 picks they gave away to get him. That's a 4 player loss and a pretty big hit.

Did we even need to trade up to get him. I also question if we offered up more then what we need to offer to move up in the draft. It's not like this would be a first for us to give up too much to get a deal done.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure HS was a bust but the Skins didnt give away a bunch of picks to get him. To me its all those picks that they gave away is what puts the bust label on JC. Not only did JC not pan out they didnt get ant benefit from the 3 picks they gave away to get him. That's a 4 player loss and a pretty big hit.

One of the picks was our 1st rounder in 06 for their 1st rounder in 05, that's a swap, not a loss of a pick. I thought we gave up a 3rd & 4th after that. If so, that would be a net of 2 picks, not 4.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

One of the picks was our 1st rounder in 06 for their 1st rounder in 05, that's a swap, not a loss of a pick. I thought we gave up a 3rd & 4th after that. If so, that would be a net of 2 picks, not 4.

And considering we're getting a 4th in 2012, net of 1 pick

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That's the difference that I was trying to tease out.

Yeah, mine was just kind of a continuance of your post.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?

Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.