Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

[McD5]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Welcome to The Warpath McD5. On the subject of Champ Bailey, if I remember right, SmootSmack or someone has mentioned before that Champ wanted out of town. Something to do with a woman.

Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by McD5

Of course. But he has been one of my favorite Redskins for a long, long time.

I like what he represented. I like the fact that his salary was low. I like his ability to catch passes, and even return kicks.

In a decade consisting mostly of pain, he was extremely easy to cheer for.

I can't argue with that. He was underutilized and was pretty effective when he was given the chance to start.

[McD5]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I can't argue with that. He was underutilized and was pretty effective when he was given the chance to start.

It sucks that he got the injury bug. But man, I loved that guy as a team player.

I was praying that we would have traded Portis away years ago, after Betts lit it up for 1,100 in half a season. Not a popular suggestion at the time, but I still feel that it could have set us up big.

Portis for a Boldin or a lineman? I would have given anything for that.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by McD5

Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.

I agree and at the time was upset that Betts wasn't being given a chance. I thought Betts was going to be really good and didn't really know much about Portis.

[McD5]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree and at the time was upset that Betts wasn't being given a chance. I thought Betts was going to be really good and didn't really know much about Portis.

Portis was always a workhorse. But the entire philosophy of featuring one back no longer works in this league.

It hasn't for a decade now. I just wish that our coaches would have understood that, and would have pulled off a mini Herschel Walker type of trade with Portis years ago.

Chris Johnson runs for 2,000. Who cares? How did his team do in the playoffs?

Maurice Jones-Drew? He is great. It still didn't translate to playoffs.

How far did LJ take Kansas City all of those 300 carry years?

Betts, had he stayed healthy, was more than sufficient in my humble opinion.


Anyway, my gf is going crazy about me being on the Redskins site this late at night. LOL.

I look forward to talking with all of you over the coming days.

This is a great site you have here. Have a great night everyone.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So Champ was the malcontent? We were absolutely hosed in that deal. We gave up the premier corner in the league and a second round pick for a great runningback in Denver's system and above average runningback in Gibbs' system. Portis was never a superstar here.

I agree with you. I was just pointing out that by justifying Oaklands end of a trade (that right now is an unsubstantiated PFT rumor) using labels that suggest all players are of equal value at their positions*. So I was trying to show how you could take something as clear cut as the Portis-Bailey trade, label the parties as such, and come up with a rule that seems to make it preposterous that the "winning" side would be interested.

The NFL definition of "franchise" is paid in the top five of a position, so to call someone not in the top five at their position a "franchise" player would be stretching the definition to something that, IMO, it isn't meant to cover.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Gtripp... Basically your saying nnamdi can play qb for the eagles also because that's the point I was making. Samuel is a top 10 corner and mcnabb is a top 10 qb. So there is no way this would even happen. Having the "best" corner really doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. Btw Rogers and Campbell aren't even in the same discussion as mcnabb and Samuel.

I was going to let Kolb play QB, but you know, f-it. Nnamdi can do anything.

If Campbell and McNabb aren't in the same discussion, even though they have similar statistics, how can you suggest that Samuel and Asomugha are on the same planet? I don't want to argue with you about the value of an elite corner because I understand where you are coming from there (not sure if I agree), but why can't that argument be applied to quarterback?

Samuel is probably as far from Asomugha as McNabb is from Peyton Manning. Or at least as far as Eli is from Peyton. They may both be pro-bowlers, but one is unquestionably superior, however much that may mean.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by McD5

Portis was always a workhorse. But the entire philosophy of featuring one back no longer works in this league.

It hasn't for a decade now. I just wish that our coaches would have understood that, and would have pulled off a mini Herschel Walker type of trade with Portis years ago.

Chris Johnson runs for 2,000. Who cares? How did his team do in the playoffs?

Maurice Jones-Drew? He is great. It still didn't translate to playoffs.

How far did LJ take Kansas City all of those 300 carry years?

Betts, had he stayed healthy, was more than sufficient in my humble opinion.


Anyway, my gf is going crazy about me being on the Redskins site this late at night. LOL.

I look forward to talking with all of you over the coming days.

This is a great site you have here. Have a great night everyone.

You can't attribute these backs to a team loss. Playoffs or not. Step back from that u know better.... there are 30 examples of backs who did well in season n then did great in the playoffs.
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[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree and at the time was upset that Betts wasn't being given a chance. I thought Betts was going to be really good and didn't really know much about Portis.

I feel the same as you, man. I remember how stupid i thought it was that we were trading our best player for a guy who even then, was starting to become an issue. (He wanted more money in Denver, threatened to be a holdout, and Shanahan put him on the block).

And a few months ago, when CP was getting into it with Lavar, he suggested that some guys (Lavar, Bailey, Coles), would have wanted out of town anyway because when CP came in he was the new top-paid guy.

Looking back over it all, we lost a 10 time pro bowler, to somebody who has been solid, but not elite. Those were the kind of trades that we were known from in the Vinny era.

Hopefully now that kind of stuff is a thing of the past...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Welcome to The Warpath McD5. On the subject of Champ Bailey, if I remember right, SmootSmack or someone has mentioned before that Champ wanted out of town. Something to do with a woman.

A bit more complicated than that, but this thread isn't about that

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Last time I checked you can't trade UFAs. If we had paid him above market value(like we paid Portis even though there was another year left in his deal...) he would have been happy all the way to the bank.

No, in reality we traded Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick for Portis.

Last time I checked you can't trade UFA's...the very point I tried to make. Next sentence...We traded Champ Bailey and.......I'm out.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by McD5

Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.

Thanks for the props to the WP, this is the only worthwhile non news agency site IMO.

Never had heard that about Champ, but if that's true it makes me even madder that we traded him in that lopsided deal. (We could've paid some kind of settlement to his wife rather than give up a 2nd!) He's still a quality starter, though his age shows at times.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by McD5

Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.

Sounds like you were at ES too long.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I was going to let Kolb play QB, but you know, f-it. Nnamdi can do anything.

If Campbell and McNabb aren't in the same discussion, even though they have similar statistics, how can you suggest that Samuel and Asomugha are on the same planet? I don't want to argue with you about the value of an elite corner because I understand where you are coming from there (not sure if I agree), but why can't that argument be applied to quarterback?

Samuel is probably as far from Asomugha as McNabb is from Peyton Manning. Or at least as far as Eli is from Peyton. They may both be pro-bowlers, but one is unquestionably superior, however much that may mean.

There is one statistic (probably the most important one) where they differ greatly. Winning %.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Last time I checked you can't trade UFA's...the very point I tried to make. Next sentence...We traded Champ Bailey and.......I'm out.

Longtime, you must be a politician. You talk in circles, you backtrack on what you said and then you claim victory.