Redskins Sign Grossman

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by luke4twenty

Hello, newbie here, thought I would tip my toe in on this one. Why not Derek Anderson before the Cards got him??? He is younger and has many more tools to work with, wasn't expensive, and could have actually competed with JC, and who knows, Shanny might have made him a pro bowler again. What do you think?

guessing it was more of a grossman-shanahan deal

anderson went to pro bowl a few years ago, grossman went to superbowl a few years ago blah blah

welcome to the warpath man

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yes but you're diverting from your fanatical argument about first round QBs. Hell, wasn't Campbell a first round QB and now you're trying to get rid of him for another first round QB?

Again, I get what you are trying to say, I'm just not as fanatical about drafting a LT as you are about drafting a QB. I just think it makes sense given the success of a few teams that have been in similar situation as we have.

Please name the few teams that have been in similar situation that had success by drafting a LT in the first round and a QB in the second round as you suggested.

[Dogtag]

Hiring a QB Mentor/player is not a bad move. Makes sense to only offer a one-year deal. He is familiar with the system and coach ... we could have done much worse things.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Nope, I agree Leinart was rated lower than Ferguson by the Jets, but how much lower is only known to the Jets scouting department. But they still took the LT even though the QB was not that much lower rated, assuming that the team draft grades corresponds to actual draft order.

It's just that you cannot grasp the concept of multiple expected outcomes and thus lack of surprise at any of them and that you cling to a preemptive collective decision-making model when it comes to teams deciding the draft order.

If you agree Leinart was rated lower than Ferguson, then the argument is over. They took Ferguson because he was rated higher, not because they decided on a philosophy of LT over QB. Thanks for proving my point.

[over the mountain]

yeah ruhskins, man i get what your saying but after campbell and ramsey, im kinda done picking up the scraps left on the QB table after teams with the high draft picks take the prime cuts of meat.

dont get me wrong, you can find great QBs after the first 10 picks but id rather we take an honest to goodness swing at one of the top qb prospects and not settle for the 3rd or 4th best qb available in the draft.

its just been so long since weve had a true great QB. sitting at no 4 i cant help but be enamored with the idea of taking a chance on a cream of the crop qb for once.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No first rounders? LOL.

I'd be ok with drafting Bradford if we could at least have our LT position secure. At this point we haven't, and the idea of drafting Bradford with the line we have right now is scary.

And we don't even have two 1st rounders on the line we have now. The Hogs weren't all 1st rounders but they were good, that's more than we can say for the bunch we have now.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I was hinting at him being the exception. DUHHHHH. Read the whole damn post next time.

It's kind of hard when the rest of your post doesn't make sense in any sort of context.

"And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep. "

Good 2nd round QBs probably come around what? When the QB draft is deep? If the QB draft is deep? Probably? That's the opposite of having an exception.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

And we don't even have two 1st rounders on the line we have now. The Hogs weren't all 1st rounders but they were good, that's more than we can say for the bunch we have now.

Well with Levi Jones we technically would. We'd have Jones and Mike Williams

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Audi

Please name the few teams that have been in similar situation that had success by drafting a LT in the first round and a QB in the second round as you suggested.

I meant teams in similar situations as us in general. Coming from a losing season, having strong defenses, and trying to rebuild. And by similar I mean similar, not the same situation. Well, the Dolphins are just about the same situation as I'm advocating for, drafting a franchise LT, and then taking a 2nd QB (Henne).

Now Baltimore didn't draft a first round tackle until last year, but they build a good line for Flacco's first year (picking up Gaither, and I believe Birk). I don't think their line was as bad as our when they drafted Flacco.

The Jets build a hell of a line before drafting Sanchez. They have two first-rounders they picked up (Mangold, Ferguson) and acquired Faneca in free agency.

Drafting a LT in the first round is not the only way to build a line, but given the fringe talent in FA (unrestricted) it's a good way to start the rebuilding process.

[wilsowilso]

This thread is really long.

Why?

We needed a backup QB. We signed a backup that knows the system.

[luke4twenty]

I think we should take LT with the first rounder. I am not sold on Clausen or Bradford. Take a guy later on, or develop Colt, or let JC play a year under Shanny. Don't forget, maybe we can trade up and get Locker next year...lol.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

This thread is really long.

Why?

We needed a backup QB. We signed a backup that knows the system.

Because at every opportunity, we need to beat to death the argument of #4 QB vs. #4LT. This is becoming the Campbell supporters vs. the Campbell haters of the offseason.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Audi

It's kind of hard when the rest of your post doesn't make sense in any sort of context.

"And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep. "

Good 2nd round QBs probably come around what? When the QB draft is deep? If the QB draft is deep? Probably? That's the opposite of having an exception.

"When" would be the right word. This is what I get for typing too fast. Not every draft is deep in QBs going in the first round.

And second rounders are obviously expected to fail on a more frequent basis than first rounders, although what actually happens depends on the individual players.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by celts32

I am going to switch my user to Sexyrexi and try and sell it to Smoot.

Wait, I thought SS was SexyRexi!

Or are you and SS the same person? We never see you at the same time!


1. If Gator-Skins like Wuerfel are no good, why are we signing Rex?


2. If Gators are no good, Does that mean Tebow is also no good?

3. Was the failed Gator-Skins experiment simply due to Ole-Ball-Coach's poor coaching?

4. Tebow never played for OBC, did he?

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I meant teams in similar situations as us in general. Coming from a losing season, having strong defenses, and trying to rebuild. And by similar I mean similar, not the same situation. Well, the Dolphins are just about the same situation as I'm advocating for, drafting a franchise LT, and then taking a 2nd QB (Henne).

Now Baltimore didn't draft a first round tackle until last year, but they build a good line for Flacco's first year (picking up Gaither, and I believe Birk). I don't think their line was as bad as our when they drafted Flacco.

The Jets build a hell of a line before drafting Sanchez. They have two first-rounders they picked up (Mangold, Ferguson) and acquired Faneca in free agency.

Drafting a LT in the first round is not the only way to build a line, but given the fringe talent in FA (unrestricted) it's a good way to start the rebuilding process.

The Dolphins weren't successful with Henne. The Ravens and Jets have all demonstrated the value of a quarterback with multiple first round quarterbacks and both having participated in trading up for a first round quarterback.