Election Day

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Best as I can tell he's the equivalent of the president from the movie Ideocracy. Not much to like about him as morals go.

That said, I believe Hillary to be a ten times worse human, and that's being polite.

It says alot about our country that those two were the headliners on the ballot and none of it is good.

So it's kinda like the Redskins FO, it doesn't matter who the coach is because there are higher powers within fucking it all up regardless.

[MTK]

What exactly did Hilary do to be more reviled than an absolute piece of garbage of a human being like Trump? I’ll never really understand that.

[Chico23231]

To me it never was Hillary the person, but Hillary and her leadership role within the Obama administration where she was an absolute failure.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

What exactly did Hilary do to be more reviled than an absolute piece of garbage of a human being like Trump? I’ll never really understand that.

To be clear, my main problem with Hillary was the DNC propping her up and not giving Bernie a fair shot, and the fact that she ignored the middle class. Now that she's out, my main problem is with the DNC. If half the people want Bernie and the other half want Hillary, it needs to be properly settled. Instead you had DNC committee members that didn't care if the majority of the population wanted Bernie, they were going to vote for Hillary in the primary because it was the right thing to do. But even after all that, I still think Hillary would have been the lesser of two evils. I don't think I need to explain all the problems I still have with Trump.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

So it's kinda like the Redskins FO, it doesn't matter who the coach is because there are higher powers within fucking it all up regardless.

I guess. Maybe it's like the 4-3 3-4 debate, it doesn't really matter cause the swamp is going to do what they want anyway.

And on that superb segue let me explain what I think is a crucial difference in response to Matty's Goldman Sachs/swamp comment.

I think these terms Winning and Swamp have very different meanings to the population in general. I laid out what I saw as Winning but I also think I acknowledged that a Trump supporter's definition of winning, and a Trump opponent's definition of winning simply is not the same.

Likewise the definition of the swamp is not the same from what I gather in here. For me, as a Trump supporter, the swamp is that bureacratic quagmire that finds it's home in DC and the surrounding neighborhoods, and has slowly but inexorably crept into every part of our lives with impacts that are created by unelected bureacrats who dwell at their desks regardless of who the current President is or which party is in power. These are the people who have no vested interest in the well being of the nation, only in keeping their fiefdoms alive and funded. There are elected officials who feed the swamp, and they are found in both parties. When Trump talks about draining the swamp those bureacracies are what I see him referring to. Matty used the term the swamp to refer to bankers and elitists, but they aren't what I call the swamp. I do think they have their own place in hell (Funny thing is that Alexander Hamilton, who is beloved by many because of the excellent broadway play - that is coming to the Kennedy center on my birthday in case some fellow warpathers want to pitch in and get me and my daughter tickets but I digress, Alexander Hamilton would have been in Goldman Sachs without a doubt, or perhaps he would have been a modern day Fed chairman)

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

What exactly did Hilary do to be more reviled than an absolute piece of garbage of a human being like Trump? I’ll never really understand that.

And I could write it all out - it has in fact been, but it's probably like the shiny blue gold dress unless/until you see it, you won't see it. Once you do, everything about her actions is seen in a different light.

The best I can say is that Trump wears his persona on his sleeve. Is he a sleaze yea, but he is a genuine sleaze. HC is far more deceitful and vindicative then Trump could dream to be, but like Lucifer she comes as an angel of light, and that makes her evil far more insidious.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also curious, had Bernie been the candidate, would Trump still be your choice? But you're right, the fact these are the two the country settled on says a lot.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Also curious, had Bernie been the candidate, would Trump still be your choice? But you're right, the fact these are the two the country settled on says a lot.

I would not have voted for Bernie, I am a full blown Adam Smith capitalist, and feel that Bernies socialism will destroy what built the US. That said put John Kasich on the Republican ticket or have a Libertarian party that had a shot at winning and I would have voted for them in lieu of Trump.

[MTK]

I thought Obama’s socialism was supposed to destroy us?

[CRedskinsRule]

Socialism in general is destroying the country. It is fulfilling deTocqueville's oft quoted statement about the governed learning to write themselves checks.

We are in a very common cycle of nations, and unfortunately we aren't in the growth side any more. As one cartoon character would say "We're doooomed I tell ya, doomed"

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Interesting.

The part that mostly blows my mind is he acts like he's an "every man". Thanks for answering all my questions, it's good insight.

I have another one, lol, do you think he personally cares about you? I could easily have said that for every president since I've been born except for him. I just think he only cares about his perception.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Interesting.

The part that mostly blows my mind is he acts like he's an "every man". Thanks for answering all my questions, it's good insight.

I have another one, lol, do you think he personally cares about you? I could easily have said that for every president since I've been born except for him. I just think he only cares about his perception.

I don't think any Republican president since Reagan "cares about me", certainly the 2nd Bush couldn't have understood a bit of my life. The first may have, but I don't think so.
As for Democrats, if I was partying with Bill I think he would care about me, if I could get him the right things - if you know what I mean. Personally as your stereotypical middle class white male Army vet making an income at a level just above where I would qualify for any government assistance, I am fairly confident that Obama would have held my life in disdain.

Reagan is the last one I felt really cared at the individual level. Before that Carter did too. I was too young to know or care about Johnson, Nixon or Ford.

A different question, same concept- do you feel that the previous Presidents cared about the US above the rest of the nations. I feel Trump does, and that's really more important than if he cares about me personally. I want the President to look at the US and think that's MY country and I'm proud to be the leader of it. I truly don't think Pres Obama felt that way every day he woke up. I think Reagan exuded that from every moment of his life. I think Both Bush's and Clinton felt it, but at the same token, looked at the US as one among many. Again, too young to give my thoughts on before Carter. (I think Carter felt it, but again felt we shouldn't express it confidently).

[CRedskinsRule]

By the way, if you can't tell I like answering questions. I may not be AS longwinded as my bro JR, but I try LOL

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just curious, what do you think of him as a person? I've always been independent with a slight left lean, but he just seems like such a terrible fucking person (I felt gross voting for Hillary too).

A Republican here that yes does lean left at times but I didn't vote for either.Like her or not Hillary was the most qualified to run the country,she is an ass but she knew how to run a country something trump has proven he can not do. I all so know exactly what trump did as a business man and that is where I learned to hate this man. I have one very ,very close friend who trump screwed over and knew a few others that all worked for him and it was no secret about him and women but he has not a ethical bone in his body.My knowledge of him is more pre president and I haven't been wrong yet.

First I don't think Reagan cared as much as you think he did.
Yes ,I think Obama cared alot but I think he tried to hard to be the man for everyone.Yes I believe that many whites voted trump to get back at the "Black president".

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

A Republican here that yes does lean left at times but I didn't vote for either.Like her or not Hillary was the most qualified to run the country,she is an ass but she knew how to run a country something trump has proven he can not do. I all so know exactly what trump did as a business man and that is where I learned to hate this man. I have one very ,very close friend who trump screwed over and knew a few others that all worked for him and it was no secret about him and women but he has not a ethical bone in his body.My knowledge of him is more pre president and I haven't been wrong yet.

I hate to ask this, I dread asking this, and yet I am a moth drawn to the flame.

How has Trump proven he can not run the country?