Brunell Starting

funandgunner · 10-24-2005, 04:21 PM

This is a message to all of the redskins fans who seem to find the negatives from the current redskins (even after a 52-17 win - has anyone scored more points this season - against anybody ?)
I understand where all the pessimism and negativity is coming from - it's from the years of disappointment in spite of all your blind support, but it's time to let go all of that. We are now at the beginning of a new era of redskins pride and glory. Do you remember the first time around ? Didn't you miss it during our struggles and disappointment these past decade or so ? But didn't you also take it for granted that the redskins were a sure lock every season to contend in the playoffs and win the superbowl. It was such a great feeling week in week out and no one questioned gibbs - even after a tough loss , and especially after a blowout. When will you start believing in the team again - after the giants win ? after an eagles win ? after a playoff berth? after a superbowl win ?

I guess I understand the loyalties to individual players from before the second gibbs era (ramsey, arrington) because supporting those players was the only positive during the last decade, but it's time to let go and be redskins fans again - by supporting the whole team and not being critical of the coaching staff for what you may feel may be mistakes. Gibbs may not be around too long, so enjoy the redskins now while you can - just think, the redskins can win against any team in the league - that's how far we've come in just one year.

illdefined · 10-24-2005, 04:35 PM

simply put, Brunell is doing what we saw Ramsey do more of last season and wanted him to do this season. attacking downfield instead of 8yds and to the sideline like Brunell did all of last season.

seems like not many have noticed, but the presence of Santana Moss is what changed the entire character of this team. him getting open and catching every ball has effectively made us a throwing offense. before, you could say it was because we were catching up, but in the 9ers game, where we could do almost anything we wanted, we went to the air ALOT. we're basically throwing now to set up the run.

huge credit to Moss for being who he is and Brunell for consistently getting it there and for all 60 minutes. as a Redskin, something we never saw from him before this season, including pre-season.

joecrisp · 10-24-2005, 04:42 PM

All excellent points, funandgunner, and I agree wholeheartedly with most of them. However, there will always be room and justification on this board for criticism of the team in any form, particularly now that what is ostensibly the largest Redskins fan site has essentially become a PR tool of the team. As this is a Redskins fan website, there will always be an overwhelming number of supporters versus critics of the team, but many of us shift from one side of that debate to the other, and that makes us no less of a fan than anyone else. In fact, the reason many of us ARE so critical of the team is because we have such a passion for the team.

Even as the team and its fans appear to be headed towards the most successful season in recent memory, there will always be room for improvement, and therefore, criticism. After all, nobody ever achieved success without constantly casting a critical eye upon all their work, whether that work was a success or a failure. Nor would we understand why the team succeeds or fails unless we apply that same critical analysis to every little move they make.

Besides, that's what makes this place so much fun!

funandgunner · 10-24-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

All excellent points, funandgunner, and I agree wholeheartedly with most of them. However, there will always be room and justification on this board for criticism of the team in any form, particularly now that what is ostensibly the largest Redskins fan site has essentially become a PR tool of the team. As this is a Redskins fan website, there will always be an overwhelming number of supporters versus critics of the team, but many of us shift from one side of that debate to the other, and that makes us no less of a fan than anyone else. In fact, the reason many of us ARE so critical of the team is because we have such a passion for the team.

Even as the team and its fans appear to be headed towards the most successful season in recent memory, there will always be room for improvement, and therefore, criticism. After all, nobody ever achieved success without constantly casting a critical eye upon all their work, whether that work was a success or a failure. Nor would we understand why the team succeeds or fails unless we apply that same critical analysis to every little move they make.

Besides, that's what makes this place so much fun!

Point taken, I guess without opposing viewpoints and some criticism this wouldn't much of a site and it would be too much fluff and it would not be interesting. And I guess I'm not used to the negative attitude even during a winning season and what I feel are solid performances this year.

steveo395 · 10-24-2005, 05:50 PM

Why did u have to bring this thread back....i just look like a moron now cuz i was so wrong
just ignore the beginning of it

skinsguy · 10-24-2005, 06:02 PM

All of us, even myself and even during Gibbs 1.0, criticized the team or the coaches for something we couldn't understand they did or did not do. Of course, at the end of the day, the coaches usually proved why they're NFL coaches and why we're mere fans.

All I'm saying is that alot of us were accused of being lead by blind faith and looking at everything through rose colored glasses. Most of us who have remind patient and optimistic basically tried to say..."hey, just wait our day is coming!" Now, it appears that it's starting to come around for us. We're not saying I told you so, but we're just saying that sometimes being patient and allowing one's self to step back and take a look at the big picture can put things in perspective.

firstdown · 10-24-2005, 06:18 PM

You know when Brunell stayed in the first game after Ramsey went down and did not score a touch down that game. I stayed positive but in the back of my mind I had us losing like 7 of our first 10 and that Campbell would be our starter and new QB of the future. Now I find myself wondering if Brunell can keep this up for a couple of years. Another thing this is great for Campbell to be watching him and learning from such a talented vet. God did I just say that?

bedlamVR · 10-24-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

All excellent points, funandgunner, and I agree wholeheartedly with most of them. However, there will always be room and justification on this board for criticism of the team in any form, particularly now that what is ostensibly the largest Redskins fan site has essentially become a PR tool of the team.

Wow that sounds a little bitter Joe

Are we not all fans of the greatest team in the world from all over the world ?

RedskinRat · 10-24-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by steveo395

Why did u have to bring this thread back....i just look like a moron now cuz i was so wrong
just ignore the beginning of it

Aren't you the same person that called me a retard in chat on Sunday for saying we'd get 50+ points?

skinsguy · 10-24-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by steveo395

Why did u have to bring this thread back....i just look like a moron now cuz i was so wrong
just ignore the beginning of it

Here's your sign.

RedskinRat · 10-24-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Here's your sign.

Once a week, just for laughs? Yeah, why not.

expatriated_in_PHX · 10-24-2005, 08:40 PM

Being new to the board I am just now throwing two cents in. I was all for keeping Ramsey in as starter and to not pull him, but I am a Gibbs fan before any player. Therefore, I trusted his judgement and by no means do i think Brunnel should be pulled even if he is 35. Mark B. is playing excellent football. Gibbs won 3 super bowls with different quarterbacks. As much as those years were frustrating for me as a young fan, because we never had the "franchise" quarterback,the seasons turned out to be spectacular despiste a franchise quarterback. Give me Gibbs and quarterback X any day. And don't talk to me about last season, that was a spurrier team Gibbs was coaching.

skinsguy · 10-24-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Once a week, just for laughs? Yeah, why not.

I don't see why not!

saskin · 10-24-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by expatriated_in_PHX

And don't talk to me about last season, that was a spurrier team Gibbs was coaching.

Too true....and he did a good job of trimming the fat as well.

steveo395 · 10-24-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Aren't you the same person that called me a retard in chat on Sunday for saying we'd get 50+ points?

no....i knew the redskins could score alot on the 49ers...they are one of the worst teams in the league

10-24-2005, 04:21 PM	#211
funandgunner Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 45	Re: Brunell Starting This is a message to all of the redskins fans who seem to find the negatives from the current redskins (even after a 52-17 win - has anyone scored more points this season - against anybody ?) I understand where all the pessimism and negativity is coming from - it's from the years of disappointment in spite of all your blind support, but it's time to let go all of that. We are now at the beginning of a new era of redskins pride and glory. Do you remember the first time around ? Didn't you miss it during our struggles and disappointment these past decade or so ? But didn't you also take it for granted that the redskins were a sure lock every season to contend in the playoffs and win the superbowl. It was such a great feeling week in week out and no one questioned gibbs - even after a tough loss , and especially after a blowout. When will you start believing in the team again - after the giants win ? after an eagles win ? after a playoff berth? after a superbowl win ? I guess I understand the loyalties to individual players from before the second gibbs era (ramsey, arrington) because supporting those players was the only positive during the last decade, but it's time to let go and be redskins fans again - by supporting the whole team and not being critical of the coaching staff for what you may feel may be mistakes. Gibbs may not be around too long, so enjoy the redskins now while you can - just think, the redskins can win against any team in the league - that's how far we've come in just one year.

10-24-2005, 04:35 PM	#212
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: Brunell Starting simply put, Brunell is doing what we saw Ramsey do more of last season and wanted him to do this season. attacking downfield instead of 8yds and to the sideline like Brunell did all of last season. seems like not many have noticed, but the presence of Santana Moss is what changed the entire character of this team. him getting open and catching every ball has effectively made us a throwing offense. before, you could say it was because we were catching up, but in the 9ers game, where we could do almost anything we wanted, we went to the air ALOT. we're basically throwing now to set up the run. huge credit to Moss for being who he is and Brunell for consistently getting it there and for all 60 minutes. as a Redskin, something we never saw from him before this season, including pre-season. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

10-24-2005, 04:42 PM	#213
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	Re: Brunell Starting All excellent points, funandgunner, and I agree wholeheartedly with most of them. However, there will always be room and justification on this board for criticism of the team in any form, particularly now that what is ostensibly the largest Redskins fan site has essentially become a PR tool of the team. As this is a Redskins fan website, there will always be an overwhelming number of supporters versus critics of the team, but many of us shift from one side of that debate to the other, and that makes us no less of a fan than anyone else. In fact, the reason many of us ARE so critical of the team is because we have such a passion for the team. Even as the team and its fans appear to be headed towards the most successful season in recent memory, there will always be room for improvement, and therefore, criticism. After all, nobody ever achieved success without constantly casting a critical eye upon all their work, whether that work was a success or a failure. Nor would we understand why the team succeeds or fails unless we apply that same critical analysis to every little move they make. Besides, that's what makes this place so much fun! __________________ Joe Crisp covered Redskins camps for TheWarpath.net for three years. He also covered Redskins Training Camp 2005 for The Daily Progress.

10-24-2005, 05:50 PM	#215
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Brunell Starting Why did u have to bring this thread back....i just look like a moron now cuz i was so wrong just ignore the beginning of it

10-24-2005, 06:02 PM	#216
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Brunell Starting All of us, even myself and even during Gibbs 1.0, criticized the team or the coaches for something we couldn't understand they did or did not do. Of course, at the end of the day, the coaches usually proved why they're NFL coaches and why we're mere fans. All I'm saying is that alot of us were accused of being lead by blind faith and looking at everything through rose colored glasses. Most of us who have remind patient and optimistic basically tried to say..."hey, just wait our day is coming!" Now, it appears that it's starting to come around for us. We're not saying I told you so, but we're just saying that sometimes being patient and allowing one's self to step back and take a look at the big picture can put things in perspective. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-24-2005, 06:18 PM	#217
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Brunell Starting You know when Brunell stayed in the first game after Ramsey went down and did not score a touch down that game. I stayed positive but in the back of my mind I had us losing like 7 of our first 10 and that Campbell would be our starter and new QB of the future. Now I find myself wondering if Brunell can keep this up for a couple of years. Another thing this is great for Campbell to be watching him and learning from such a talented vet. God did I just say that?

10-24-2005, 08:40 PM	#222
expatriated_in_PHX Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Age: 55 Posts: 37	Re: Brunell Starting Being new to the board I am just now throwing two cents in. I was all for keeping Ramsey in as starter and to not pull him, but I am a Gibbs fan before any player. Therefore, I trusted his judgement and by no means do i think Brunnel should be pulled even if he is 35. Mark B. is playing excellent football. Gibbs won 3 super bowls with different quarterbacks. As much as those years were frustrating for me as a young fan, because we never had the "franchise" quarterback,the seasons turned out to be spectacular despiste a franchise quarterback. Give me Gibbs and quarterback X any day. And don't talk to me about last season, that was a spurrier team Gibbs was coaching.

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