Redskins Cowboys post game

[Gary84Clark]

Gruden should be careful about Colt. He is concussion prone and one more major concussion and that will be over and done for his career.

[JoeRedskin]

Thanks for all the good info SS.
Based on what you have said so far, my questions are:
(1) Does Griffin know Jay 's feelings about his understanding of the offense?
(2) Does Gruden's take appear to be having a negative effect on the coach/qb relationship with Griffin?

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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by calia

That makes no sense to me. How are Cousins and McCoy ready to run this offense but RGIII is not? Isn't it new to all of them?

No, Cousins ran a similar style at Michigan State. And Colt has more experience with it from his days in Cleveland and last year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Thanks for all the good info SS.
Based on what you have said so far, my questions are:
(1) Does Griffin know Jay 's feelings about his understanding of the offense?
(2) Does Gruden's take appear to be having a negative effect on the coach/qb relationship with Griffin?

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I'll answer the 2nd question first. From what I've heard one thing Jay has done that Mike did not is that everything Griffin hears in the media from Jay about him he's already heard.

So when Jay says Robert will play him when healthy and in football shape (paraphrasing), I don't think RG3 is hearing that for the first time. Does he understand what that means? I have no idea

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll answer the 2nd question first. From what I've heard one thing Jay has done that Mike did not is that everything Griffin hears in the media from Jay about him he's already heard.



So when Jay says Robert will play him when healthy and in football shape (paraphrasing), I don't think RG3 is hearing that for the first time. Does he understand what that means? I have no idea

Based on the answer to question 2 I already like Gruden better than Shanahan.

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Gruden should be careful about Colt. He is concussion prone and one more major concussion and that will be over and done for his career.

How should he be careful with him? Im curious.

[JoeRedskin]

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Thanks for the info SS. We all really appreciate the insight.

I definitely like that Gruden is communicating better than Shananhan did.

One thing I would question though is that if Griffin is physically 100% should he not get time to start and learn in w real NFL game?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.

I just think it takes QB's from a simplified spread offense a lot longer than other QB's who run a pro style offense their entire life.

Drew Brees is a perfect example. He truly didn't play well until his fourth year in the NFL. It just takes time with spread QB's.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Thanks for the info SS. We all really appreciate the insight.

I definitely like that Gruden is communicating better than Shananhan did.

One thing I would question though is that if Griffin is physically 100% should he not get time to start and learn in w real NFL game?

I just think that differs for each QB. Some learn well in game situations, some not. Just like any job/talent people learn in different ways. Trial by fire may cause some folks to improve but others to retreat into bad habits. On one hand, RGIII is a smart kid who wants to be the best and maybe can pick up the techniques in game. On the other, he is so talented and athletic, maybe he retreats into "I can use my athleticism to get a better play" rather growing into "I need to make the play called work by doing [X]."

It's like the smart kid who can do the problems with ease but screws up b/c he just doesn't pay attention to the details. I am convinced, RGIII has the ability to excel any system in which he plays. The question to me, however, is can he really get into the nuts and bolts of an NFL offense, the rhythm, anticipation and root mechanics of it, without relying on his freakish athletic ability to ignore these subtleties of the game. Certainly, off the field, he shows the willingness and intelligence to do so, but, in the heat of the moment, can he train his body to do so also.

If the best thing for him is to sit, watch and practice rep, I hope he does so even though I really, really want him on the field. I also hope Gruden is really committed to developing him and investing his own time.

The guy is special in so many ways. I hope Gruden can get him right.

Step One: Build an O-line that is better than average. Next year's draft: Round 1 - Best Safety on the board; Rounds 2-7 O-lineman every damn round and hope one or two stick. (Okay, maybe an ILB to replace Riley/Compton).

[FRPLG]

I think if we had a stud OL that could protect our QB maybe Gruden would be a little more willing to get him into the fire. As it stands now protection is limited and our QBs are forced to protect themselves...mostly with their ability to make good quick decisions on where to go with the ball.

I am honestly greatly concerned that at this point Griffin isn't mentally prepared to run a pro offense. I know he's been hurt and the turmoil has been real around him but when we give up what we gave up for him I think we're expecting someone who has the innate abilities to learn and grow quickly. I am also concerned that our coaching staff is focused on fitting a guy in rather than fitting a system to a team's players.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Gruden had his way, RG3 would not take the field again this year

Let's run through each QB and the 3 key decision makers

Griffin

Snyder: Loves him. This is the franchise, the meal ticket. If Colt is playing well and winning the ONLY way RG3 takes the field is because of Snyder

Allen: Indifferent towards him as a QB, but realizes he's $$ in the bank when he's on the field and playing well

Gruden: Thinks RG3 is nowhere near ready to play football. And I'm not talking about physically, I'm talking about understanding and being able to execute the offense. That's why Jay keeps saying when Rob's "healthy and ready to play football" As in the doctors might clear him, but that doesn't mean he's ready to play

Cousins


Snyder: Probably wants him gone ASAP now

Allen: Likes him, but sort of eh

Gruden: So so on him as a person, thought he'd be the perfect QB to execute his offense for this year. Knows ceiling is limited though

McCoy

Snyder: Probably didn't even know who he was until yesterday

Allen: Huge fan. Use to watch games with Jon back in 2009 and they'd talk often about Colt being the perfect WCO QB

Gruden: Colt is far and away his favorite. Loves him as a person, loves him as a QB. So total package Colt is his favorite of the 3. But he and Colt both know his role on this team is at best solid #2

However, as long as Jay believes RG3 is not ready and Cousins has shat (shitted? shitten?) the bed then you ride that #2 until you can't no more. And it helps that Allen feels strongly about Colt too

Thanks for the info SS. this reads like a script for a QB controversy play or something

I dont know, think RG3 only gets better with more time in the pocket running the offense.

I really dont like this Dan guy being included with his opinions. That reeks of the past

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Thanks for the info SS. this reads like a script for a QB controversy play or something

I dont know, think RG3 only gets better with more time in the pocket running the offense.

I really dont like this Dan guy being included with his opinions. That reeks of the past

Well luckily this is not Dallas, otherwise RG3 would be playing right now with a mildly healthy ankle.

At the end of the day, Jay needs to figure out how to get RG3 ready to play. I don't mind his careful approach, but if RG3 doesn't work out in the end that's a failure on everyone involved (including RG3).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As you said at one point SS, it's disconcerting that RGIII works as hard as he does, is as talented as he is athletically, and, yet (according to Gruden), he is still not capable of running a straight-up pro offense. Is it that he has to unlearn bad habits? Is he incapable of anticipating/trusting receivers? Does he not have pocket sense? Unilke reading D's - which is a learnable skill, is RGIII lacking one of the innate unteachable skills necessary for a QB?.

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid, really. Everything about him. Talent, head screwed on right, all the elements for leadership, etc. I am hoping it clicks for him ... soon.

Obviously Gruden has seen him now since March or so? He's got a feel for him now. I'm thinking it's all of the above and that's why we saw that JV offense week one. The thing with Griffin is this offense, or the pro game in general does not come natural for him. To me he needs a mixture of 2012, maybe some Chip Kelly and some pro. That's on the coaches to design an offense around him. But RG3 wants to be Rodgers. Three years in and we still don't know if he's the guy.

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well luckily this is not Dallas, otherwise RG3 would be playing right now with a mildly healthy ankle.



At the end of the day, Jay needs to figure out how to get RG3 ready to play. I don't mind his careful approach, but if RG3 doesn't work out in the end that's a failure on everyone involved (including RG3).

Because we never rush qb's back in Washington.