I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Switching back to a 3-4 now would be retarded. Haslet is not going anywhere so let him get the last few pieces he needs for his side of the ball before we scrape this D. They were significantly better this year then last, and they will get better. No reason to go back now.

The more I think about Rak, I think he should be shopped. He may not be the right fit for an OLB in a 3-4. He really fell off this year even though we upgraded the whole unit.

If he is a piece we can part with to get a QB then I am all for it. We can find another player who plays as well as him quicker then we will find another QB we really like.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Not exactly... Even Irsay said that this QB duo can be compared to Manning & Leaf draft. Everybody thought Leaf is destined to stardom, just like Manning was.. If Shanny passes Griffin on through draft and then Griffin turned out to be a bust - Shanny will be genius. It is better to wait and see what Shanny's plan is and how it turns out before we call for his head, or name calling in this situation.

I think it compares more to Manning and Rivers. And besides I don't see RGIII during the interview process telling teams that he'll be going to Vegas with his buddies after he signs his rookie deal.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I think what it boils down to is the QB we draft whether it be Tannehill, Foles, RGIII, Luck can they be = or > Matt Schaub. That was Kyle's QB in Houston and their offense was pretty good their defense just sucked. Yes they had Foster and Johnson but let me make the comparison. I think we can all agree that we have two good RBs in Roy Helu and Evan Royster. If we bring back Hightower (which I doubt if we want to draft Rainey) that's 3 good RBs. Combined they can equal or surpass Foster's production. TE play we have them beat as either Cooley or Davis > Owen Daniels in my book. Now it boils down to Andre Johnson. Can Hankerson be that guy? Maybe. Do we draft Blackmon? Possibly but that is they way I break it down with the development of the offense.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I think what it boils down to is the QB we draft whether it be Tannehill, Foles, RGIII, Luck can they be = or > Matt Schaub. That was Kyle's QB in Houston and their offense was pretty good their defense just sucked. Yes they had Foster and Johnson but let me make the comparison. I think we can all agree that we have two good RBs in Roy Helu and Evan Royster. If we bring back Hightower (which I doubt if we want to draft Rainey) that's 3 good RBs. Combined they can equal or surpass Foster's production. TE play we have them beat as either Cooley or Davis > Owen Daniels in my book. Now it boils down to Andre Johnson. Can Hankerson be that guy? Maybe. Do we draft Blackmon? Possibly but that is they way I break it down with the development of the offense.

The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.

That isn't going to happen. (spending two high round picks on QBs) I wouldn't want them to either. One rookie QB is sufficient. You need somebody with experience that can step in if something happens to the starter in the season. Besides, Mike ran with only 2 QBs last season so having 2 rookies is definitely a no-go in my book.

[SBXVII]

SmootSmack, by no means do I or did I mean any disrespect. I know it sounds bad with me saying "I call BS". I usually stay away from calling people out and am not trying to call you out now. You've eluded to where you work and I'm sure if not positive you have inside information which is why I respect what you have to say. I listen. I do believe that your info was from a reliable source/sources. My point before was I think the Skins organization is passing bogus info and could even be contacting the other teams just to throw everyone off. If checked and double checked it will show there is something to the rumors cause people will be people and spill the beans. I was not trying to call you out but it seems that way and I'm usually a fan who hates it when others do that. Again I was not calling you out, I was calling the information out. I think the Skins are putting a lot of disinformation out there to throw everyone off what they are intending to do.

Again no disrespect I have valued your information in the past and will enjoy your information in the future. Thank you for all you do for this site and the rest of us.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.

A high round and a late round QB are not out of the question. I'd be happy if we did this. That said, it would be hard to get RGIII and Weeden since they both should go relatively high.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

SmootSmack, by no means do I or did I mean any disrespect. I know it sounds bad with me saying "I call BS". I usually stay away from calling people out and am not trying to call you out now. You've eluded to where you work and I'm sure if not positive you have inside information which is why I respect what you have to say. I listen. I do believe that your info was from a reliable source/sources. My point before was I think the Skins organization is passing bogus info and could even be contacting the other teams just to throw everyone off. If checked and double checked it will show there is something to the rumors cause people will be people and spill the beans. I was not trying to call you out but it seems that way and I'm usually a fan who hates it when others do that. Again I was not calling you out, I was calling the information out. I think the Skins are putting a lot of disinformation out there to throw everyone off what they are intending to do.

Again no disrespect I have valued your information in the past and will enjoy your information in the future. Thank you for all you do for this site and the rest of us.

No need to apologize. I just didn't understand where you were coming from because what's out there is we ARE interested in Peyton, we ARE interested in Flynn, we DO want to trade up for Griffin. Yet, while that may be true, it's not the info I'm getting and providing. In fact it's quite the opposite. Now I may end up being totally wrong. But the info I'm providing is clearly not what's out there.

[skinsfaninok]

Can we just call 1800 I need a QB???

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No need to apologize. I just didn't understand where you were coming from because what's out there is we ARE interested in Peyton, we ARE interested in Flynn, we DO want to trade up for Griffin. Yet, while that may be true, it's not the info I'm getting and providing. In fact it's quite the opposite. Now I may end up being totally wrong. But the info I'm providing is clearly not what's out there.

And again I do apologize and understand you are passing info you are learning. I'll let you say I told you so until your happy if any of it comes to pass. I would never have thought we would be interested in McNabb either and when the media picked up on it I wanted to cry because I expected a huge let down due to his diminishing skills and injuries. I figure if your right I'll cry again. I'm sure the team has explored every avenue to trade up and explored what it might take just to keep their options open. I just don't see them making the trade.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

To get the rumor mill rolling again, I heard Bob Kravitz of The Indianapolis Star(the guy who did the Peyton Manning interview where he revealed he was unhappy w/ the Colts and paved the way for his release) on the Lebatard Show, and Kravitz gave the Skins a 25% chance of signing Peyton once he's released. He said DC was intriguing to Peyton because he remembers what Shanahan was able to with Elway late in his career, and of course, Peyton wants to go out on top with one last Super Bowl victory. Kravitz said there was an equal chance for us, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, and the Dolphins to land Peyton.

I don't get how any of those teams make sense, and the Redskins least of all. Definitely agree if Manning continues to play it's with the sole purpose of winning more championships. San Fran, Baltimore or the Jets are the teams closest to winning a SB w/ better play from their QB i.e. P Manning. More importantly he could walk into any of those (three) situations and model the offensive scheme just how he wants it.

But again it makes no sense for Manning to consider the Redskins. He, for all practical purposes, is the offensive coordinator and QB of his team. Why play under arguably the most limited HC/OC duo in terms of versatility and vision? Manning's not going "learn" a losing, esoteric scheme and thereby give up on what he's been doing for over a decade...he's going to do what he does best: shred defenses, often in a no-huddle offense calling plays at the line. He's got more football intelligence than Mike and Kyle combined, what an awkward situation it would be to play for them!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

And again I do apologize and understand you are passing info you are learning. I'll let you say I told you so until your happy if any of it comes to pass. I would never have thought we would be interested in McNabb either and when the media picked up on it I wanted to cry because I expected a huge let down due to his diminishing skills and injuries. I figure if your right I'll cry again. I'm sure the team has explored every avenue to trade up and explored what it might take just to keep their options open. I just don't see them making the trade.

Well, for the record, in my original post I do say that I think they'll fall short in their attempt. But that's my own personal opinion.

Anyhow, let's move on

[SBXVII]

Now back to the QB topic: your a HC, you have a scheme in which you expect your QB to sit in the pocket 85% of the time and stand in the shotgun 10% of the time, and only run/scramble for yardage if flushed out of the pocket, and you have no intention of using the "Wild Cat", why would you want RGIII? This coaching staff is not going to take him if does not fit the system. Luck fits this system better then RGIII.

Bradford- again your a HC, why would you want a player who has not lived up to his #1 status, does not make good decisions all the time, on top of that your going to be expected to give up and risk more by trading your 1st round draft pick who has lived up to his expectations and just came off a half decent year...plus throw in draft picks? It should be the Rams who should be throwing draft picks our way in order to balance out their QB who has not shown he is a 1st round talent. No deal.

Peyton- will probably be finished or go elsewhere.

Flynn- will probably go to Miami to start and be with his Coach.

RGIII- is not our system of QB and will cost too much to move up.

Luck- will be interesting g to see if the Colts don't take him.

My best guess is the Skins will pick up a different FA QB, and try to trade back for more picks. I'm hedging my bets that any one of the other QBs gets drafted by the Skins and I'd guess Weeden only cause KS likes him, knows him now, and has worked well with him. I hope FA wise I'm wrong. I think Weeden will be fine and uh the team time to find that "young" QB everyone wants to have as our franchise QB.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Can we just call 1800 I need a QB???

I think Mike has one of these on his desks.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Now back to the QB topic: your a HC, you have a scheme in which you expect your QB to sit in the pocket 85% of the time and stand in the shotgun 10% of the time, and only run/scramble for yardage if flushed out of the pocket, and you have no intention of using the "Wild Cat", why would you want RGIII? This coaching staff is not going to take him if does not fit the system. Luck fits this system better then RGIII.

Bradford- again your a HC, why would you want a player who has not lived up to his #1 status, does not make good decisions all the time, on top of that your going to be expected to give up and risk more by trading your 1st round draft pick who has lived up to his expectations and just came off a half decent year...plus throw in draft picks? It should be the Rams who should be throwing draft picks our way in order to balance out their QB who has not shown he is a 1st round talent. No deal.

Peyton- will probably be finished or go elsewhere.

Flynn- will probably go to Miami to start and be with his Coach.

RGIII- is not our system of QB and will cost too much to move up.

Luck- will be interesting g to see if the Colts don't take him.

My best guess is the Skins will pick up a different FA QB, and try to trade back for more picks. I'm hedging my bets that any one of the other QBs gets drafted by the Skins and I'd guess Weeden only cause KS likes him, knows him now, and has worked well with him. I hope FA wise I'm wrong. I think Weeden will be fine and uh the team time to find that "young" QB everyone wants to have as our franchise QB.

1. Bradford was shanahans pick a few years ago, but we didn't have any ammo to move up to get him. A lot of people believe that Bradford hasn't had a good supporting cast in St. Louis. He showed lots of promise his rookie year, then fell off this year. A two year guy who played with an injury depleted team. His WR's had lots of drops, ran wrong routes, and had balls bounce off their hands and cause picks. When you had the OL and WR's that Bradford had, and Steven Jackson is hurt, you got to make plays and in his case, force things.

2. Our system QB requires a guy who is able to bootleg well. Yes Luck is the better QB, but RG3 is more athletic, and is just as accurate. The only major difference between the 2 is the spread offense griffin was in and the pro style offense luck was in. We have been linked to RG3 and he would fit our system.

3. How do you know Kyle Shanahan likes him? I'm sure publicly Kyle like all the South QB's he had.