Campbell A Raider

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Does anyone know the exact terms of the trade? Clayton's reporting that we only get the 2012 4th rounder if Oakland makes the playoffs or Campbell makes the pro-bowl. In my opinion, that's crap. Hopefully, Clayton's just confused and we're getting a 2012 4th that can increase to something better if Campbell makes the pro-bowl or leads Oakland to the playoffs.

I think it's a straight fourth. Then again, between two tight-lipped organizations such as the Redskins and the Raiders, no information is good information.

[MTK]

Yes it's a straight up 4th, no conditions.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

thanks for the clarification. very happy with the trade, then.

[CRedskinsRule]

Apparently Rock Cartwright is headed to Oakland as well.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Apparently Rock Cartwright is headed to Oakland as well.

I will be curious to see if he can make that team, or any team for that matter. He'll be a jouneyman at best from here out.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.

I agree with you about the high expectations, and if someone doesn't meet those expectations, that's when they become a bust. We like to talk about the "epic failures" that become busts, and often those big names are the ones synonomous with bust, but that doesn't mean that only the extremely epic failures are the only busts. Campbell was a bust for us, and he will likely suck in Oakland (due to poor leadership in that orginization and no help from players) meaning he will solidify himself as a bust.
Look at Roy Williams, he has played 25 games for the Cowboys, and has had only 57 receptions for 794 yards during those games. He was a Pro Bowler for the Lions, and played extremely well for them. So why is it Roy Williams is now a bust for the Cowboys?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I agree with you about the high expectations, and if someone doesn't meet those expectations, that's when they become a bust. We like to talk about the "epic failures" that become busts, and often those big names are the ones synonomous with bust, but that doesn't mean that only the extremely epic failures are the only busts. Campbell was a bust for us, and he will likely suck in Oakland (due to poor leadership in that orginization and no help from players) meaning he will solidify himself as a bust.
Look at Roy Williams, he has played 25 games for the Cowboys, and has had only 57 receptions for 794 yards during those games. He was a Pro Bowler for the Lions, and played extremely well for them. So why is it Roy Williams is now a bust for the Cowboys?

By your definition, Roy Williams never won games with the Lions, so there should be no relative considerations, he was a bust when he was acquired by the Cowboys, and he's done nothing to change his plight there.

By the definitions of others, Williams has been a bust for the Cowboys because he was acquired from the Lions for a hefty price and with great expectations, and hasn't offered them acceptable production for their investment. I don't think too many people would actually propose that Williams isn't an NFL caliber player, but given that he was no great shakes for the Lions, the price that Dallas payed to get him looks obscene by comparison.

It's true that Roy Williams didn't offer quite the production that Detroit was hoping to get from a top ten pick, but he was able to play like a professional for four seasons there. Therefore, poor value, though clearly not a bust. Dallas wasn't looking for a professional in 2008, they were paying to get a developed no. 1 receiver, which there was little reason to think Williams would be.

[44ever]

Thought this was interesting as I didn't here about this till tonight. The Raiders got JC but it looks like we may have landed the guy they really wanted.

Sources: Oakland Raiders emerge as top Donovan McNabb suitor - ESPN

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Thought this was interesting as I didn't here about this till tonight. The Raiders got JC but it looks like we may have landed the guy they really wanted.

Sources: Oakland Raiders emerge as top Donovan McNabb suitor - ESPN

You're just hearing about this now?

Word was McNabb would have considered retiring had he been traded there.

[MTK]

This should only help JC

Scout: JaMarcus Russell is tipping the scales at 300 pounds | National Football Post

[CRedskinsRule]

^^^ wow... can he play NT?

[Monkeydad]

Check out the resume on JC that the Raiders site posted:

Raiders Acquire QB Jason Campbell



Wow. 6th all time in passing yards for the Skins, highest completion % in club history?

Never thought of him that way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

Check out the resume on JC that the Raiders site posted:

Raiders Acquire QB Jason Campbell



Wow. 6th all time in passing yards for the Skins, highest completion % in club history?

Never thought of him that way.

I guess they missed the part about him being one of the biggest busts in club history

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

^^^ wow... can he play NT?

He would need to put on some more weight for that, but that shouldn't be a problem. Gaining weight is one of the things he actually does well.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He would need to put on some more weight for that, but that shouldn't be a problem. Gaining weight is one of the things he actually does well.

if he gets cut by the raiders, Buffalo might be interested. If not, maybe the CFL will be. If not, theres always sumo wrestling.