Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

its a new year, new coaching staff and the "what have you done lately" is more important. I think the team confidence is high coming off the win and I think the offense believes in Cousins and RG3. We are lucky to have 2 young QB who are solid. I think if you ask the Philly coaches who are game planning, they can see alot of guys on the skins offense who can hurt you. Cousins, Grant, and Niles Paul all are depths guys who put a lot of good things on film last week. I think the Eagles are going to have their hands full.

This.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

His injury is not as serious as people want to make it out to be. Chill, his injury is the equivalent of shooting a jump shot and landing on someone's foot. your ankle rolls. HE will be in a cast 10 days.

That is not correct. Rolling an ankle and dislocating are two different things. Dislocation is an extreme version of a sprain that makes the joint give way. Rolling your ankle is much less of an injury and you can be back in a few weeks. Dislocation can take a month or more if ligaments are torn. Something nobody has confirmed.
DeSean Jackson sprained his AC joint in his left shoulder. He will be week to week. If he had dislocated his shoulder he would we out 4 to 8 to 12 weeks.
Everyone heals at a different rate.
Once you dislocate a joint like an ankle or knee that supports all of your weight, that joint becomes loose and more prone to further injury. Rehab will help but the joint will never be 100% as strong it was before the injury. Add two ACL's to to that.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Of course there is more to Cousins body of work than the game I mentioned. If you read my previous remark in context, you'll see that I was responding to a specific statement from another post.

So let's go to that body of work and look at career numbers for Cap'n Kirk:
9 games
74.3 QBR
57.6% completions
6.7 ypa
10 / 10 TDs/INT

Last year Cousins' interception % of 4.5 was one of the worst in the league. For comparison, Eli Manning's was 4.9% and he led the league in picks.

But if you read my post in context, which appears unlikely, you would understand I was saying Kirk had other good games, not just "one game in relief" as was stated earlier in the post I was originally responding to. How that gets twisted into you telling me, "no this other game wasn't in relief!!!" rather than address that Kirk has had other good games....

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

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Once you dislocate a joint like an ankle or knee that supports all of your weight, that joint becomes loose and more prone to further injury. Rehab will help but the joint will never be 100% as strong it was before the injury. Add two ACL's to to that.

This !!! Nice post .

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Griffin mostly did a good job anticipating where pressure was coming from, coaches say, and making adjustments. It’s an area Cousins is still adapting to as one sack revealed Sunday when the Jaguars sent an overload to the Redskins’ right. Cousins didn’t see it, was sacked and the Redskins were taken out of field-goal range. Coaches say Cousins must improve here, but for the most part they feel that even if this is the case he usually knows where to go and what to do. It'll be a key against Philadelphia on Sunday.


How Kirk Cousins differs from RG III - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

a good write up by Keim of what cousins and rg3 do well and differently. nothing unknown to anyone here but i did quote the top paragraph bc this is the 2nd time i have heard RG3 does well with pre-snap reads and cousins needs to improve. when i see cousins, i see him calling out the mike and being a lot more vocal at the line pre-snap vs RG3 who seems to never shift protection and seems oblivious (sometimes) to clear blitzes.

I was hoping for the coaches to help KC out there and just run Helu up the middle and take the 3 points to end the half. There really wasn't enough time there for a TD and I think Gruden got greedy there. But you're right, KC needed to know the situation and not taken a sack and just thrown it away. In a tighter game that could've come back to haunt them.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I was hoping for the coaches to help KC out there and just run Helu up the middle and take the 3 points to end the half. There really wasn't enough time there for a TD and I think Gruden got greedy there. But you're right, KC needed to know the situation and not taken a sack and just thrown it away. In a tighter game that could've come back to haunt them.

Good point. I was expecting the run to position the FG attempt. I was thinking that Jay Gruden would consider Cousins' lack of experience in those situations and not put him in a position to make a mistake.

Somehow, I have a gut feeling that Jay isn't going to back off one bit even though he has a young QB running the show. But what do I know?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I was hoping for the coaches to help KC out there and just run Helu up the middle and take the 3 points to end the half. There really wasn't enough time there for a TD and I think Gruden got greedy there. But you're right, KC needed to know the situation and not taken a sack and just thrown it away. In a tighter game that could've come back to haunt them.

Spot on.

Also, if we had a kicker with a strong leg (55 yard field goal), we could have risen above that error.

[calia]

Originally Posted by ethat001

It's way too early to tell if Cousins is the answer. But on paper -- our team is actually pretty good, and we can theoretically have a chance at playoffs and beyond. We have a top 5 running back / running game, two probowl WRs (and decent WR depth), a top-tier TE, and currently our defense looks legit against inferior talent.



We were just lacking good QB play -- to get the ball into our playmakers' hands. IF we have that, I see no reason for us to contend, and THIS year. We're not the Seahawks/Denver/Patriots, but we can certainly go far in our division.. All depends on Cousins, but if he plays just average, it shouldn't be hard to do okay this year.



Not even mentioning our improved return game, our Oline backups who could challenge starters (Moses/S.Long), Merriweather's return, Cofield coming back, ?P.Thomas, etc.





Also got to hand it to Gruden so far. Early to tell, but early take on his decisions to date have been pretty good. (1) Keep Cousins & also McCoy, (2) NOT drafting MLB but relying on K.Robinson instead, (3) Keeping Haslett (so far so good), (4) FA: Hatcher/Djax/A.Roberts - all good so far with reasonable cap hits, (5) FA - avoiding big splashes & getting depth like A.Davis / etc on special teams & R.Clark as a leader so far, (6) Tress Way, (7) Drafting R.Grant (and Murphy, Breeland & Moses may prove to be good pickups)... It just seems like with our injuries, our depth is good enough to keep us in contention, and prior years we sucked if one or two people went out.

Got to agree with the last paragraph. Obviously, it is still early, but early indications are good for all of these decisions.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I have hopes that Cousins plays well......I think back to that Cleveland Browns game two years ago....he was sharp....but his three game audition last year showed that he was okay but not good.....hopefully the difference between this year and last year is coaching....Gruden and his staff will be able to get more out Cousins than the Shanahans did....

[Dirtbag59]

I will say this for people that might be a little too eager to discard RG3. Last year Josh McCown outplayed Cutler in Chicago. Granted its still early in the season but right now Cutler is looking like a top 10 QB while McCown has struggled to say the least. Point being, patience is a virtue.

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1.
behavior showing high moral standards.

Wait, thats what virtue means? I thought it meant an attribute that contributes to awesomeness.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

I couldn't have said it better myself... I was a huge RGIII believer, and I would still be if he could stay healthy, but he can't... RGIII might have a higher ceiling than Kirk, but how long is it going to take for him to get there? And more importantly, can he stay healthy long enough to get there even if he can? I see the type of success Luck and Wilson are having, and I can't justify simply drinking the Kool Aid blind anymore... I am still a RGIII fan, but I am a bigger fan of the Redskins... If Captain Kirk has success while RGIII is out, which I think he will, we would be damn stupid to trade him and bank of III staying healthy and reaching his ceiling, how ever high that might be...

Steadily good beats unrealized potential in my book. Truth be told who really knows what Cousins ceiling is, really? Sure Griffin is more athletic and faster but that is not all a quarterback makes. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Breeds don't have those qualities but they have decent careers and their stats aren't too shabby. :-)

I'm by no means saying Big Cous will play as well as those three, just that the jury isn't out on him yet. I'm going to wait and go by how he plays THIS season, then go from there.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

... but i did quote the top paragraph bc this is the 2nd time i have heard RG3 does well with pre-snap reads and cousins needs to improve. when i see cousins, i see him calling out the mike and being a lot more vocal at the line pre-snap vs RG3 who seems to never shift protection and seems oblivious (sometimes) to clear blitzes.

the biggest bs myth about griffin is that he can't read defenses, either pre-snap or during the play.

[calia]

Any truth to the reports that RGIII might be back in 5-6 weeks - ie, before the bye? Seems awfully fast for that injury. I hope we have learned the lesson about getting him on the field before he is 100%.

[CRedskinsRule]

Only way is if KC is losing even then seems crazy

[tshile]

Originally Posted by calia

Any truth to the reports that RGIII might be back in 5-6 weeks - ie, before the bye? Seems awfully fast for that injury. I hope we have learned the lesson about getting him on the field before he is 100%.

it's speculation, though i believe that's the number Gruden gave as a guess.

he's in a cast for 10 days then they reevaluate, anything before that is just a guess based on how other people have recovered from the injury. my understanding is that there's a wide range for this injury. there's no fracture so it comes down to ligament damage and i assume pain tolerance.