Redskins Training Camp Thread wk 1

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Last line of the Griffin article:



in a related note: yesterday morning on SiriusXM, the announcers were hyping the upcoming guest (an orthopedic doctor who has done work with the Rams), and was teasing it by saying that the doctor disagrees with how the Redskins were handling Griffin's return. But once he got on, he basically deferred to the attending physicians, but what I thought was interesting was that his timeline really was about where Griffin seems to be at. He said that his patients would begin cutting and heavy work at the 6 month mark, which would have been June, and at 9 months would basically be good to go, but that it would take another several months for the player to have confidence in his leg. Well, Griffin just has that confidence already, and if he doesn't take a snap in preseason, basically will have gone 8 1/2 to 9 months from surgery to game action. The whole interview just made me feel better about how the Skins and Griffin are approaching this.

I would guess having gone through this before must give him an advantage especially mentally.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would guess having gone through this before must give him an advantage especially mentally.

How many times can a knee take an ACL injury before it becomes too many? I'm not trying to inject doom into this thread; I really want to know.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

How many times can a knee take an ACL injury before it becomes too many? I'm not trying to inject doom into this thread; I really want to know.

No idea.

Sometimes all it takes is one.

There's no magic number.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Last line of the Griffin article:



in a related note: yesterday morning on SiriusXM, the announcers were hyping the upcoming guest (an orthopedic doctor who has done work with the Rams), and was teasing it by saying that the doctor disagrees with how the Redskins were handling Griffin's return. But once he got on, he basically deferred to the attending physicians, but what I thought was interesting was that his timeline really was about where Griffin seems to be at. He said that his patients would begin cutting and heavy work at the 6 month mark, which would have been June, and at 9 months would basically be good to go, but that it would take another several months for the player to have confidence in his leg. Well, Griffin just has that confidence already, and if he doesn't take a snap in preseason, basically will have gone 8 1/2 to 9 months from surgery to game action. The whole interview just made me feel better about how the Skins and Griffin are approaching this.

He's had no OTA reps, no pre season games and they're not even letting him do 11 on 11. What's he doing to get himself ready to play 16 games? 7 on 7 and little throwing drills on the side? To me that's going overboard on the side of caution. I expect him to be rusty the first few weeks. We're still talking about a very young player, not an established vet. They should at least let the kid do 11 on 11, which is the closest thing to a game simulation.

[skinsfaninok]

I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. I mean if he tears it again then what? Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. I mean if he tears it again then what? Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.

Do you really want to go there? If he tears it again, it would possibly be the end of a would-have-been brilliant career. For the next 25 years, Redskins fans would talk about what could have been, just like with #21. We would probably never find a replacement who could run the offense as well as RG3. But you're right, it's best not to worry about it.

[Paintrain]

Funny man on the street stuff featuring Ryan Kerrigan..

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. I mean if he tears it again then what? Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.

I agree 100 percent. Everyone is so worried about it. The doctors cleared him to play. He looks like he's ready to go. Let the kid take all the reps with the first team and let him get ready for the season. I'd put him out there the 3rd pre season game and let him play a half. Time to move on from the injury.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He's had no OTA reps, no pre season games and they're not even letting him do 11 on 11. What's he doing to get himself ready to play 16 games? 7 on 7 and little throwing drills on the side? To me that's going overboard on the side of caution. I expect him to be rusty the first few weeks. We're still talking about a very young player, not an established vet. They should at least let the kid do 11 on 11, which is the closest thing to a game simulation.

Can't blame them for being cautious. He's still barely 6 months post surgery.

[skinsfaninok]

I'm Just saying, it's getting old. It's almost as bad as the D.ROSE Situation in Chi. I watched Griff's pressure today and all they asked about was his knee.... Gets old

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm just not a fan that worries about Griffs knee like many do. I mean if he tears it again then what? Does the world end? It's sports, I'm hoping he never does get injured again but u cant sit and worry about it all season.

I can't help but wonder if Vikings fans worry/worried about AP like we do Griff.

AP tore his ACL and MCL and and came back to have a MVP year last season. And played through a sports hernia last year through the second half of the season.

I know we want to be careful with RGIII, as he's our bread and butter, but it seems like an awful lot of fans are trying to coddle the guy.

If RGIII says his knee is good and he's ready to play and the coaches agree, I think I'm gonna go with that.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree 100 percent. Everyone is so worried about it. The doctors cleared him to play. He looks like he's ready to go. Let the kid take all the reps with the first team and let him get ready for the season. I'd put him out there the 3rd pre season game and let him play a half. Time to move on from the injury.

And when he gets injured in a meaningless exhibition game who gets the heat? Not skinsfan69...

I think this guy's good enough to play himself into game shape in games that count. Playing him just to get some rep's is just not worth it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

And when he gets injured in a meaningless exhibition game who gets the heat? Not skinsfan69...

I think this guy's good enough to play himself into game shape in games that count. Playing him just to get some rep's is just not worth it.

Totally agree.

For all the heat the team got just 6 months ago I find it hard to understand people that want to just toss him right back out there vs easing him back in. Crazy.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

How many times can a knee take an ACL injury before it becomes too many? I'm not trying to inject doom into this thread; I really want to know.

Outcomes of repeat revision anterior cruciat... [Am J Sports Med. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

Repeat revision ACL reconstruction may improve the functional outcomes of patients who have failed revision ACL reconstruction. Most patients do not return to prior activity level following repeat revision. Presence of grade 3 or 4 chondral lesions and body mass index greater than 28 were associated with worse outcomes.

i read another article as well, citing to this same study .. apparently there are not enough patients with multiple ACL revision surgeries to get a study group bigger than the 15 in the above-cited study . . . out of the 15 patients, 27% returned to full functioning (which, to my math comes out to 4.05 patients out of the 15 .. not sure how we end up without a round number)

also, it appears the synthetic material/band is pretty much used for all ACLs now so i assume RG3 had an "allograft" material to act as his ligament so there is no worry about him running out of ligament material but ...... he may run out of surface/bone area of his knee to make any more holes to anchor with. i imagine these holes are micro but still .. he has at least 4 surgical holes in his knee now (im speculating, they might not need to re-anchor? idk).

edit - never mind. it is speculated that RG3 did not use the synthetic band/ligament for his first ACL surgery but they cut out a portion of his patellar tendon.

A Complete Guide to Robert Griffin III's Knee Injury | Bleacher Report

^^ good breakdown

Checking in on Robert Griffin III as He Continues to Recover from Knee Surgery | Bleacher Report

^^ follow up article.

You Tube

^^ 4 min video animation of an acl repair. very good. very scary.

ps - i thought for sure that synthetic ligament material was all the rage now but apparently using a piece of the patients own ligament graft is the way to go . .

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I can't help but wonder if Vikings fans worry/worried about AP like we do Griff.

AP tore his ACL and MCL and and came back to have a MVP year last season. And played through a sports hernia last year through the second half of the season.

I know we want to be careful with RGIII, as he's our bread and butter, but it seems like an awful lot of fans are trying to coddle the guy.

If RGIII says his knee is good and he's ready to play and the coaches agree, I think I'm gonna go with that.

They probably worried more than we are, and for better reason. After all, Adrian Peterson is a RB, and, obviously, they're exposed to more dangerous hits than QBs. Peterson was also very important to their offense.

By the way, OTM, thanks.