Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

See, I can live with this logic. Good post.

I agree, that's the only reason I can see to not give up one pick.

[MTK]

So again, how does losing one pick this year take away from our ability to fill needs? There would still be 8 picks on the board.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So again, how does losing one pick this year take away from our ability to fill needs? There would still be 8 picks on the board.

The picks wouldn't be the problem. The cap could be a disastrous problem if the labor strife continues. And that's not JLC playing Chicken Little with the cap numbers, that's one of your resident cap nerds saying that.

We should keep the pick and pay that 1st rounder his market value. Or trade down. We'd gain talent for the long haul and help keep ourselves out of cap trouble in a potential uncapped season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So again, how does losing one pick this year take away from our ability to fill needs? There would still be 8 picks on the board.

Well first of all it's our top pick and if CJ hits his normal numbers than it would be a top pick next year. Not worth it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well first of all it's our top pick and if CJ hits his normal number than it would be a top pick next year. Not worth it.

We don't even know at this point what would escalate that 3rd rounder to a 1st. But it's safe to assume it would have to be some pretty significant triggers, so let's not act like two #1's would be a foregone conclusion.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We don't even know at this point what would escalate that 3rd rounder to a 1st. But it's safe to assume it would have to be some pretty significant triggers, so let's not act like two #1's would be a foregone conclusion.

You know what's funny is that one of the triggers I believe rely on the Redskins having a Super Bowl year, e.g: hosting the NFC Championship game. If the Redskins are one player away from Super Bowl glory, like some would have you believe, and CJ is that player why wouldn't it be foreseeable that we would hit one of those tiggers.

You know that CJ is worth the compensation but not enough that you think that CJ will help Redskins to be a Super Bowl contender?

You're already agreeing that CJ is not going to help the Redskins to a Super Bowl contending run by counting out the possibility that next years number one pick is going to be safe.

[Campbell17]

Dan Snyder has been too quiet for too long... He can't resist but cough some money to bring him into DC.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I've got to ask supporters of the trade offer for CJ a few questions. What are the chances that Chad would become a major de-stabilizing locker room force if he doesn't get enough balls thrown his way or we struggle to win games in 2008? Had Brandon Lloyd been put up Chad Johnson-like numbers during his tenture in D.C., would you have wanted him around?

[SmootSmack]

Not exactly sure what you're askin. Are you asking if Brandon Lloyd's actions would have been acceptable if he put up numbers like Chad Johnson?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not exactly sure what you're askin. Are you asking if Brandon Lloyd's actions would have been acceptable if he put up numbers like Chad Johnson?

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

First, do you think Chad Johnson would become a locker room problem if: (a) the Redskins do not win a lot of games in 2008; or (b) Campbell doesn't throw the ball Chad's way 5-6 times per game?

Second, would you have wanted the Redskins to retain Brandon Lloyd had he been a Pro Bowl caliber wideout?

Fairly or not, I was implying that Chad Johnson is a highly productive version of Brandon Lloyd. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted the Redskins to retain Brandon Lloyd even if he was putting up T.O. type numbers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

First, do you think Chad Johnson would become a locker room problem if: (a) the Redskins do not win a lot of games in 2008; or (b) Campbell doesn't throw the ball Chad's way 5-6 times per game?

Second, would you have wanted the Redskins to retain Brandon Lloyd had he been a Pro Bowl caliber wideout?

Fairly or not, I was implying that Chad Johnson is a highly productive version of Brandon Lloyd. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted the Redskins to retain Brandon Lloyd even if he was putting up T.O. type numbers.

I don't know the answer to your first question. I mean this offseason is really the first we've heard of Chad Johnson being a divisive presence in the locker room. And a lot of that is based off a false claim of a fight that never took place. But if he's unhappy, I don't doubt he'll voice his displeasure. Just like many other stars (even on our team).

As for part 2 to your question. Brandon Lloyd reportedly would yell at the administrative and personal assistants at Redskins Park, for no reason. I don't know that CJ does that. But apart from that, if Brandon Lloyd could produce the way Chad Johnson has then yes I could definitely be happy with that. That's why we brought him here, to produce on the field. I mean if either one had real issues (see: PacMan Jones) then no I wouldn't want either one.

If he's so disruptive don't you think the Bengals would be a bit more willing to let him go? I think his production trumps his disruption.

But I'm not, to be clear, an adamant supporter of a trade for Chad Johnson. I think it has to be the right deal. I feel that the current deal is pretty fair. I wouldn't mind getting an extra pick from them, but the deal as it is isn't awful. If the Redskins were to trade their 1st and 2nd this year, that'd be a different story.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know the answer to your first question. I mean this offseason is really the first we've heard of Chad Johnson being a divisive presence in the locker room. And a lot of that is based off a false claim of a fight that never took place. But if he's unhappy, I don't doubt he'll voice his displeasure. Just like many other stars (even on our team).

This is the first offseason in which I've heard that Chad was a locker room problem. But, for several seasons Chad has shown that he is all too often willing to prop himself up at the expense of his team. Moreover, ESPN Radio just aired a segment in which a Bengals beat reporter basically said that the team has been dealing with Chad's "emotional issues" for quite some time, but the team has been concealing such problems. That same reporter also said that most players he's talked to acknowledge that there was some "locker room incident" involving Chad, but none would specify what occurred. The only player that has spoken to the issue (Shaun Smith) acknowledged that Chad tried to attack Hue Jackson and punched Marvin Lewis. Boomer Esiason reported that Chad got into a physical altercation with coaches. I'm not saying that Chad undoubtedly hit a coach.....but where there is smoke.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If he's so disruptive don't you think the Bengals would be a bit more willing to let him go? I think his production trumps his disruption.

I think the Bengals believe his production trumps his disruption, but aren't they a shining example as to why character matters? Their team is in tatters, their locker room appears divided, and they are reaping what they have sown. True, Chad hasn't been in trouble with the law. But, I think character evaluations should be based on more than one's rap sheet.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

This is the first offseason in which I've heard that Chad was a locker room problem. But, for several seasons Chad has shown that he is all too often willing to prop himself up at the expense of his team. Moreover, ESPN Radio just aired a segment in which a Bengals beat reporter basically said that the team has been dealing with Chad's "emotional issues" for quite some time, but the team has been concealing such problems. That same reporter also said that most players he's talked to acknowledge that there was some "locker room incident" involving Chad, but none would specify what occurred. The only player that has spoken to the issue (Shaun Smith) acknowledged that Chad tried to attack Hue Jackson and punched Marvin Lewis. Boomer Esiason reported that Chad got into a physical altercation with coaches. I'm not saying that Chad undoubtedly hit a coach.....but where there is smoke.

Fair enough on the ESPN Radio part. Shaun Smith has on multiple occassions thrown teammates (past and present) under the bus. I have complete disregard for anything he says quite honestly. I think Esiason is being a little loose with the term "altercation." I believe what happened is what Hue Jackson and Chad Johnson have said, that Chad Johnson got "emotional" and Hue Jackson restrained him to calm him down. The actual events none of us know. But what shouldn't be overlooked is that Chad Johnson has publicly apologized for creating a stir during that halftime and said it was inappropriate. I know some people here are all gung-ho about pointing out that Jared Allen apologized for his multiple DUIs and league suspension. So let's not dismiss that CJ apologized for "acting up" in a locker room.

I think the Bengals believe his production trumps his disruption, but aren't they a shining example as to why character matters? Their team is in tatters, their locker room appears divided, and they are reaping what they have sown. True, Chad hasn't been in trouble with the law. But, I think character evaluations should be based on more than one's rap sheet.

Good points. But it also adds to my point that Johnson wants out of there because the team culture is a mess.

[Warren85Ellard]

Chad Johnson would be a nightmare for a brand new coach and a developing QB. Stick with the draft.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Warren85Ellard

Chad Johnson would be a nightmare for a brand new coach and a developing QB. Stick with the draft.

Why would he be a nightmare?