Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

[Hog1]

I can't wait till' Ramsey goes so we can concentrate our discussions on how much potenential Arrington has to be a better QB than MB.................or maybe Antwan Randal Ferrote.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey is outta here, GW can't seem to find a mind control device that works with him. His potential overpowers the device rendering it useless.

Mr Snyder is gonna have Gibbs give his to Williams' so i have hope still.

[saskin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I can't wait till' Ramsey goes so we can concentrate our discussions on how much potenential Arrington has to be a better QB than MB.................or maybe Antwan Randal Ferrote.

Course then we'll listen to how good of a hall of famer or pro bowler he is....

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Neither Ramsey nor Brunell would fall under the category of "Fearsome Passer" in my book. Brunell has the experience to know that when the play breaks down he has two options: throw the ball away or look to run and pick up some yards. I think Ramsey just hasn't been given the time to develop that experience. Some QB's learn pretty fast (Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger) others take a little longer (Matt Hassleback?). Of course some never seem to get it at all (Joey Harrington, Aaron Brooks, Michael Vick?). Ramsey needs the chance to play 16 games consecutively in an offense not associated with Steve Spurrier. Whether he ever gets that chance as a Washington Redskin will be determinedi n a just a few short months.

Let me save you the time, he's gone.. You're welcome.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So what's your excuse for the preseason and the 1st game of the season, 4 possessions, 2 turnovers?

Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright

[saskin]

For the Ramsey supporters I just wanna ask this....why do you all like to think that Gibbs was obligated to use Ramsey just because another coach with a totally different philosophy drafted him? Yeah Gibbs got Brunell and Campbell. That's because he thinks that they can run his offense better than Ramsey. So of course he's gonna use them.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by offiss

Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright

That response was actually specific to a comment that Ramsey never had the benefit of getting the majority of the reps and his poor play in the past was a result of not being ready to play...

In '04, I was like everyone else and was calling for Brunell's head.. For 56 minutes of the Dallas game I was thinking here we go again.. I still call him Brunold because he looks old a lot.. However, at no other time this season, with the exceptions of the 1st half of the AZ game and once he got hurt, did Brunell look as bad as Ramsey.. The fact that the coaching staff didn't play a healthy Ramsey over an obviously hobbled Brunell should tell you all you need to know about where he stands in the eyes of the organization..

I'm sorry, but Ramsey scares me when he is in the game.. He looks and plays scared. That's not what I want leading my team.. If the Redskins decide to keep him and play him I obviously hope for the best, but I don't think he will be successful as a Redskins QB based on what I've seen.. It's not hate, when he's traded, I hope he does well somewhere else.. He's a class guy, but just not a good QB in my opinion.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That response was actually specific to a comment that Ramsey never had the benefit of getting the majority of the reps and his poor play in the past was a result of not being ready to play...

In '04, I was like everyone else and was calling for Brunell's head.. For 56 minutes of the Dallas game I was thinking here we go again.. I still call him Brunold because he looks old a lot.. However, at no other time this season, with the exceptions of the 1st half of the AZ game and once he got hurt, did Brunell look as bad as Ramsey.. The fact that the coaching staff didn't play a healthy Ramsey over an obviously hobbled Brunell should tell you all you need to know about where he stands in the eyes of the organization..

I'm sorry, but Ramsey scares me when he is in the game.. He looks and plays scared. That's not what I want leading my team.. If the Redskins decide to keep him and play him I obviously hope for the best, but I don't think he will be successful as a Redskins QB based on what I've seen.. It's not hate, when he's traded, I hope he does well somewhere else.. He's a class guy, but just not a good QB in my opinion.

well said!

I agree he's not the apple of the organzations eye, at least Gibbs, I do think Snyder is a Ramsey guy, but he was responsible for drafting him as well.

What I look at when I see Ramsey is a player who came into a brand new offense in Gibbs, from a kaotic offense as far as protection in SS, and yes when SS was here Ramsey was money with his passas anytime he had an opportunity to actually drop and plant his back foot, unfortunatly that wasen't often with SS. Aside from a WR making the wrong read in the Bears game causing Ramseys first INT, and a chop to the throat for a fumble, he drove the ball very well on what turned out to be maybe the best D in the NFL, yes he had more yards in the first quarter passing than Brunell had in 3. I will always feel that had Ramsey been given the opportunity to understand and become comfortable in Gibbs offense he would be far better than Brunell right now. If Ramsey doesn't get an opportunity with us I would love to see him in miami, or dallas, those are 2 spots with coaches who will allow his talents to flurish.


I will aslo feel that Ramsey status right now is because of a Gibbs promise to Brunell. Gibbs had to convince Brunell to come to DC if you remember when he was rumored to be released he said he wanted to start, and everyone knew that Ramsey had shown tremendous promise under SS, and couldn't wait to see what he would do with a real coach, so Brunell was reluctant to come to us because he didn't want to backup. Then what? Gibbs spends like an entire week with the guy and the next thing you know 43 mil and a second rd. pick he's a skin, with the announcment that it will be an open competition for the starters job? Ramsey wanted out soon as he heard it, why? Because he knew what he was up against, there is no way you give up what we gave up for a veteran QB on his last leg if he could quite seriously be a backup that would be absolutly ridiculous. Gibbs promised him the starters job that is the only way Brunell would come here. Did Gibbs sacrifice winning or a better QB intentionally? No, but he made a commitment to Brunell and stuck with it believing he can win regardless of the QB as he's proven throughout his carreer. And that is why I have always felt Ramsey has been treated as a red headed step child. Can you say the way Brunell played last year that the belief that some how Brunell wasen't Gibbs illegitamate son the way he stuck with him? Then Ramsey finally gets his shot 3 games against 2 of the best teams in the NFL and the 2 best defenses to go with it and looked very good, he also blew out a Giant team that brunell was getting his lunch handed to him the first time we played them.

I don't care who disagree's with this, and I know there will be plenty, but this whole QB controversy is about Gibbs not wanting to admit he made a royal screwup with the Brunell trade, and is know trying to drive a square peg through a round hole to justify it. Maybe he swings a big enough sledge to make that peg fit, but I will always believe it would have been much easier with Ramsey!

[skinsguy]

And the rest of us will always believe that Gibbs made the right choice and have proof of this past season.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And the rest of us will always believe that Gibbs made the right choice and have proof of this past season.

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!

Ty and welcome back Offiss and you couldn't be more right!

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by offiss

Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!

I wonder how many people here think that Seattle is a better team than the Redskin's and we couldn't have won that Game........ I know the Redskin's are better!!!!!!!!!

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

1st ballot? Whatever your smoking, send some my way.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!

In our case as a loosing team for the past five years yes making it to th playoffs was a success. For the colts who have been a team in the playoffs the past couple of years and at 13 and 0 no it was not a success. You have to start somewhere and we have made the start.