Ukraine mega thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Paula Slier is a correspondent for the Russian Times Newspaper that is covering the Ukraine war from the Russian view. Denis Pushilin is the leader of the pro russian forces (interesting - but not surprising -that they wanted to be called pro-federalization, but now that the referendum has occurred they are seeking integration into Russia)


PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
#DenisPushilin: we, the people of the Donetsk Republic, declare that from now on the Republic is a sovereign state.

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
We ask the Russian Federation to examine the possibility of the Republic to become part of the Russian Federation.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think it's fair to say that any vote with a 90% yes vote is probably rigged. Honestly you would think dictators would learn to make their vote outcomes something like 63/36, because that more closely reflects human tendencies in contested votes. If 90% are voting one way in a critical/divisive election, you can pretty much assume intimidation and fraud.

[CRedskinsRule]

This is for NC_Skins

Balkanist Magazine ‏@Balkanist
VP Joe Biden's son has been appointed director of #Ukraine’s largest private gas

Hunter Biden joins the team of Burisma Holdings | Burisma

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This is for NC_Skins



Hunter Biden joins the team of Burisma Holdings | Burisma

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

and for all you wikileaks guys out there:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/0...html#efmAB5ACs

a cable from 2008 that basically says if Ukraine goes towards NATO, Russia will respond like it has. Interesting read actually.

How did I miss these gems? Not surprising that high ranking official's family members are making bank. Nah...no conflicts of interests. Those cables from 2008 were spot on as well. Amazing.

[CRedskinsRule]

and for all you wikileaks guys out there:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/0...html#efmAB5ACs

a cable from 2008 that basically says if Ukraine goes towards NATO, Russia will respond like it has. Interesting read actually.

[CRedskinsRule]

Really could be a big turning point in the crisis:

Ukraine: Pro-Russian insurgents retreat from buildings in Mariupol - World - CBC News

Basically one of the largest employers in the region said that going toward Russia was going to be bad for everyone.

The story seems like a real positive change in the city of Mariopul (sp?). The more areas that can vote in the upcoming election (which hopefully is fully monitored and sanctioned as legitimate by appropriate international observers) the more the crisis will diminish.

[CRedskinsRule]

What have we told them about leaving their Tanks in the middle of the streets with the keys in them:

Random Dude Fires Tank Abandoned On Ukraine Street

Kids these days Geez.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

What have we told them about leaving their Tanks in the middle of the streets with the keys in them:

Random Dude Fires Tank Abandoned On Ukraine Street

Kids these days Geez.

wow. I'm guessing the Ukrainian army abandoned that bmp?

[Chico23231]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/wo...ties.html?_r=0

In a new excerpt from secretly recorded conversations involving some of Poland’s highest officials, Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski is quoted as describing his country’s security relationship with the United States as “worth nothing.”

Mr. Sikorski goes on to say in the recording released on Sunday, “It’s even harmful, as it gives Poland a false sense of security.” He also describes the relationship in more vulgar terms.

The deepening scandal over the conversations — apparently recorded in the back rooms of restaurants frequented by Poland’s political elite and leaked to a weekly Warsaw newspaper — has threatened the survival of Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s center-right government.
The scandal erupted last weekend, when Wprost released the first of the transcripts, declining to say where it had gotten them or who it believed had recorded them.



Here is Russia secretly recording and releasing taped conversations between high ranking Polish officials. We remember when this happened around this time last year between our Ukraine Diplomat and the State dept?

Folks pretty easy to see that Russia is doing everything possible to continue to destablize that region. Russia see we've got a weak guy in office.

[HailGreen28]

CNN's take on the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 tragedy so far.

LINK

Putin: "Russian President Vladimir Putin said Ukraine's military campaign against the separatists was to blame.

"This tragedy would not have happened, if there had been peace on that land, or in any case, if military operations in southeastern Ukraine had not been renewed," Putin said in televised remarks. "And without a doubt the government of the territory on which it happened bears responsibility for this frightening tragedy."

Translation: "If only Ukraine had surrendered to the rebels we are arming, our rebels wouldn't have had to shoot down a civilian airliner."


Deleted posts suggest Ukraine rebels downed Malaysian jet in error.

LINK

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U.S. releases images it says show Russia has fired artillery over border into Ukraine - The Washington Post


I don't think we needed to see pictures to know what Russia has been doing. Fuck those asshats.

[CRedskinsRule]

So Ukranian troops thought going into Russia without weapons and then coming back into Ukraine gave them a free pass? Sounds like they learned their training from Bill Murray in Stripes. Oh wait, even he knew to take weapons.

UKRAINE: Pro-Russian Separatists Opened Fire On Our Unarmed Soldiers - Business Insider

As Walter from Jeff Dunham would say...

[over the mountain]

after months of build up, things seem imminent again. 19-20k tropps at border, putin calling for an emergency UN session to address the "humanitarian crisis" in Ukraine ...

I like a quote from POTUS i read a little bit ago .... "russia doesn't make anything. no immigrants are going there for jobs or growth and the male life expectancy is 60 years old".

[HailGreen28]

Rebel fighter speaks out against east Ukraine separatist leaders

Rebel fighter speaks out against east Ukraine separatist leaders - Reuters, by Maria Tsvetkova

"DONETSK Ukraine (Reuters) - A 37-year-old rebel fighter in eastern Ukraine is speaking out against the separatist leadership, accusing them of adopting flashy lifestyles and pushing locals aside in a rebellion that has largely been taken over by Russians."

"Three top leaders of the rebellion now - Aleksander Borodai, Igor Girkin also known as Strelkov, and Vladimir Antyufeyev - are Russian. Kiev says another prominent and feared field commander, Igor Bezler, is a Russian intelligence operative."

[CRedskinsRule]

Any thoughts:

By Reuters4:32PM BST 15 Aug 2014
Ukrainian artillery destroyed a "significant" part of a Russian armoured column that crossed into Ukraine during the night, President Petro Poroshenko told British Prime Minister David Cameron on Friday, according to the presidential website.

"The president informed that the given information was trustworthy and confirmed because the majority of the machines had been eliminated by Ukrainian artillery at night," the statement said.

Poroshenko did not include any proof for his statement.

Separately, a Ukrainian military spokesman said Ukrainian forces had tracked the Russian armoured column as soon as it crossed onto Ukrainian soil.

"Appropriate actions were undertaken and a part of it no longer exists," military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told journalists.