Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The question for me right now is why not? Why not when you have an up and comer in Davis who is younger and cheaper, and if you could get multiple picks in return for CC it would only make sense to see what's out there. I'm not saying you push hard to deal him, you just toss a line out there and see what you bring in.

I'm not supportive of trading a known product for an unknown product(s). Davis being cheaper is a silly argument IMO. First off if you get a 1st round pick for CC it's likely to cost you just as much as CC is getting paid and even more so if the pick is a top 10 pick (the average guaranteed money given to a 1st round draft pick last year was around 11 million). Secondly, if you just want more draft picks, 2nd/3rd rounder, that's cool but we all know outside the 1st round the draft is a crap shoot. I wouldn't take a chance on these types of players with a player of CC's caliber as wager.


Always keep quality players unless they're disgruntled or old in the tooth (27 isn't old).

You can't teach experience.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm not supportive of trading a known product for an unknown product(s). Davis being cheaper is a silly argument IMO. First off if you get a 1st round pick for CC it's likely to cost you just as much as CC is getting paid and even more so if the pick is a top 10 pick (the average guaranteed money given to a 1st round draft pick last year was around 11 million). Secondly, if you just want more draft picks, 2nd/3rd rounder, that's cool but we all know outside the 1st round the draft is a crap shoot. I wouldn't take a chance on these types of players with a player of CC's caliber as wager.


Always keep quality players unless they're disgruntled or old in the tooth (27 isn't old).

You can't teach experience.

Are you using high first round contracts in that analysis? No one is giving us a high first rounder for him. I think somewhere in the second round is the most likely scenario. No second rounder is getting Cooley money (or even late first rounder).

[perez24]

Originally Posted by saden1

No dice for anything less than 1'st round or second and third rounder. Honestly though why would anyone in their right mind want to trade him? If nothing else this season has shown it's worth having two quality TE on your team. I love Yoder but he isn't going to make the big catches down the field and YACs like Davis is now. Great TE aren't a dime a dozen folks and 2 is better than one.

I would hate to see him traded, but the only guy who would give up 1 and 3 for a TE, no matter how many Pro Bowls, receptions, and funny blogs, already has a job...with the Redskins.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

KWII was traded for a 2nd and a 5th, I think that's similar to what we could get for CC.

He was nowhere near as productive as Cooley and missed a lot of playing time due to motorcycle accident and then a staph infection.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He was nowhere near as productive as Cooley and missed a lot of playing time due to motorcycle accident and then a staph infection.

Regardless, he was still seen as one of the better players at his position.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

KWII was traded for a 2nd and a 5th, I think that's similar to what we could get for CC.

Both have similar career stats, but Cooley has almost twice the number of touchdowns. KWII has had constant injury issues whereas Cooley's been healthy up until his injury this year. I think its good to compare the two, but Cooley is a superior player - he'd garner more than a 2nd and 5th.

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

A team wouldn't trade us club level tickets for Rock.

Trading Cooley is possibly an option because he is a pro-bowler but I would have to see a pretty attractive 2nd round player to justify getting rid of a stud.

That is key to me. We shouldn't trade Cooley "just" to get a pick. There needs to be a solid player in mind who we'd select with the pick(s) we received as compensation. Now, if we get a 1st rounder, we'd be sure to find someone we needed. However, if the compensation is something like a 2nd and a 3rd, i'd hope we would have preliminary talks with a few teams, but only execute the trade of the player we coveted was there when the pick came up.

[Swarley]

For a 2nd rounder no. For a 1st and a 3rd, you'd be stupid not to consider it.

[Big C]

it would be a good trade, but there might be a lot of backlash in the organization, getting rid of a guy like cooley. no loyalty.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Big C

it would be a good trade, but there might be a lot of backlash in the organization, getting rid of a guy like cooley. no loyalty.

I would be furious if we traded Cooley even though it would be a good value trade.

He is a tremendous asset to the organization in such a broad range of ways.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I would be furious if we traded Cooley even though it would be a good value trade.

He is a tremendous asset to the organization in such a broad range of ways.

Agree 100%. He's charismatic, funny, durable (never missed a game before this year), hard working, has glue for hands, is a perennial pro bowler, he's only 27 and is on a hall of fame pace numbers-wise. He's our best offensive player IMO. There is no downside to Chris Cooley at this point.

It would be hard to refuse a 1st and 3rd, but at the same time I think it's kind of moot to argue. I don't have stats in front of me, but when do teams trade a 1st and 3rd for a TE?

Yeah, Fred Davis has had a few solid games, and looks like he'll be very good. But we don't know what we're going to have going on with WRs next year. Tana and El could be gone. Kelly and Thomas are still largely unproven (although I think we've got something with DT). Let's keep two very good TE's for at least one more year. It can only help the passing game.

[Meks]

i'd much rather see us using davis and cooley at the same time ... davis can easily split out wide or line up in the slot...

theres no need to get RID of an offensive weapon... having both these guys on the field, and Tood Yoder(who catches the hell out of passes and blocks well) to spell them is a dengerous, dangerous recipie at TE next year.

no way u trade a guy like cooley. no loyalty as said above.

[Big C]

davis was recruited by USC as a wide receiver and then converted to a tight end, he was one of the top ones in the country. im sure he could line up in the slot, and im sure hes had plenty of experience with that.

[rbanerjee23]

with the way fred davis is playing right now....still no lol Cooley's too good to trade away and I want to make sure Davis isn't a one hit wonder, technically he's only really played well the last 5 games or so...wait and see

[Dirtbag59]

We would have one of the best red zone offenses when Cooley comes back, assuming of course that Sherm stays. If they would play Marko Mitchell then our red zone offense would be scary. People keep talking about Davis, and they rightfully should, but they forget that during Sherm's first game against the Eagles on MNF Cooley was poised for a big game. I think that it's in our best interest to find a way to make the 2 TE offense work.

On top of I think people are also forgetting the fact that if a CBA goes through Cooley will count $4 million against the cap if he's traded.

Plus even if we were offered a 1st and 3rd there is no way I would want to accept it if Vinny was calling the shots. God knows what those picks would turn into, maybe a Safety or QB.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

We would have one of the best red zone offenses when Cooley comes back, assuming of course that Sherm stays. If they would play Marko Mitchell then our red zone offense would be scary. People keep talking about Davis, and they rightfully should, but they forget that during Sherm's first game against the Eagles on MNF Cooley was poised for a big game. I think that it's in our best interest to find a way to make the 2 TE offense work.

On top of I think people are also forgetting the fact that if a CBA goes through Cooley will count $4 million against the cap if he's traded.

Plus even if we were offered a 1st and 3rd there is no way I would want to accept it if Vinny was calling the shots. God knows what those picks would turn into, maybe a Safety or QB.

That's what I've been thinking. 2 good TE's in the redzone offers some options.