D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[warriorzpath]

... and Hall really proved that he belonged in the Pro Bowl, despite of what some of you think. He must have just gotten lucky again with the strip and touchdown and the interception... or the quarterbacks were just attacking him more so he got more chances at making plays.

Yeah, I guess not respecting him works... just ask Cutler.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

He must just be one lucky guy. I don't know... I think if it was one interception, that might just be being at the right place at the right time by accident. But if you're talking about his record-tying performance, that means that he was at the right place at the right time 4 TIMES.

Football is all about team and player positioning on the field.

Two he came into on poor throws and the other two were thrown directly to him as if he were the receiver. That's not to say that he didn't do the right things but had the QB and receiver done the right things maybe only one of those would've been picked. I'm not taking anything away from Hall but there's a reason that he came down with 4 that day and only 2 on the rest of the year. If you don't believe me just watch the video.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Two he came into on poor throws and the other two were thrown directly to him as if he were the receiver. That's not to say that he didn't do the right things but had the QB and receiver done the right things maybe only one of those would've been picked. I'm not taking anything away from Hall but there's a reason that he came down with 4 that day and only 2 on the rest of the year. If you don't believe me just watch the video.

To me, capitalizing on opposing players' mistakes and circumstances does not equate to being lucky.

[GTripp0012]

Here, to me is the argument against Hall's INTs:

His 11 Washington Redskin picks (excluding the Hail Mary vs. Kolb) came against the following QBs:

2008 Week 11 -- Romo (w/broken thumb)
2008 Week 12 -- E. Manning
2009 Week 1 -- E. Manning
2009 Week 4 -- J. Johnson
2009 Week 5 -- Delhomme
2009 Week 10 -- C. Simms
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 8 -- Stafford

My point is: it's not like the Redskins just haven't played great quarterbacks. We've seen Schaub, Peyton, Vick, Ryan, Rodgers, Romo, Eli, and McNabb while Hall's starting. He managed to get Eli twice (and Eli's no slouch though he will throw it up for grabs), but in the rest of the games against the best passers Hall was, in his best moments, a non-factor.

I mean, Carlos Rogers only has four picks in the last three seasons, but he's also gotten Warner and Schaub once each (with a horrible drop against Peyton). Against the most prolific QBs we've faced, Rogers -- not Hall -- has been the better playmaker.

[skinsguy]

For Pete's Sake, enough with the stupid stats. Why can't people just stop belly-aching about DeAngelo Hall and support the guy. Geez...he was voted to the Pro Bowl and won MVP honors in the game. He's a Redskin. He represented our team, and you people are going to sit here and tell me that you're going to find something wrong with each and every little positive thing that comes our way? Ridiculous! Just plain ridiculous! I understand the bad vibes against guys like Hanesworth, but this?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

To me, capitalizing on opposing players' mistakes and circumstances does not equate to being lucky.

That's like saying walking behind a guy who drops a 100 dollar bill and then he vanishes isn't lucky. He was out of position a couple of times and luckily Cutler put it in that spot.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

For Pete's Sake, enough with the stupid stats. Why can't people just stop belly-aching about DeAngelo Hall and support the guy. Geez...he was voted to the Pro Bowl and won MVP honors in the game. He's a Redskin. He represented our team, and you people are going to sit here and tell me that you're going to find something wrong with each and every little positive thing that comes our way? Ridiculous! Just plain ridiculous! I understand the bad vibes against guys like Hanesworth, but this?

You can't be disappointed in Albert Haynesworth. He's a Redskin and he needs our support at all times. Criticism is not the answer to everything.

[44ever]

Unfortunately the video is no longer available. But when I studied it, on 3 occasions, I seen D. Hall breaking on the ball from at least 5 yards out. They where not thrown at him. On one he jammed the receiver and continued the receivers route knowing it was a timing pass. On another he broke from way behind an stole the ball in the air right out of the hands of the receiver. Thats not luck, thats just awesome awareness.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You can't be disappointed in Albert Haynesworth. He's a Redskin and he needs our support at all times. Criticism is not the answer to everything.

Nope, completely different situation and you should know the difference. If A.H. truly wants to stay with the Redskins and help the team win by being a team player, he's got my full support. However, you would have to be a complete idiot not to see that isn't the case with AH. Even if he didn't want to be here, but kept his mouth shut, played hard all year long, and got the Pro Bowl nod, I would have supported him. But, that was not the case, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You can't be disappointed in Albert Haynesworth. He's a Redskin and he needs our support at all times. Criticism is not the answer to everything.

lol...like McNabb?

Big difference between Hall and Haynesworth...Hall gives 100%, Haynesworth 40-45%

[SirClintonPortis]

Warrick Holdman may better a better choice than Fatus Lumpus Albertus Feignworth III for that counterexample by Tripp.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Nope, completely different situation and you should know the difference. If A.H. truly wants to stay with the Redskins and help the team win by being a team player, he's got my full support. However, you would have to be a complete idiot not to see that isn't the case with AH. Even if he didn't want to be here, but kept his mouth shut, played hard all year long, and got the Pro Bowl nod, I would have supported him. But, that was not the case, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

Well, you're right that it's not the same situation, but it's exactly the same principle of supporting a Redskins player that may or may not always deserve unconditional support.

I still support DeAngelo Hall and Albert Haynesworth pretty equally based on the idea that they are still Redskins. Neither is one of my five favorite Redskins, but they are both integral parts of the team of the last two seasons. Some people have moralized why Hall should be untouchable in terms of criticism amongst fans, but that's an opinion they hold. Hall is not untouchable, even amongst his supporters.

My point was I don't like arbitrary lines drawn over who I can and cannot support. My point was not that there aren't very good reasons for being critical of Haynesworth (there are). There are also very good reasons for being critical of DHall's effort. And while their negatives couldn't be more different in nature, it would be an inconsistent principle to suggest that one isn't deserving of criticism for his on-field acts, and the other is.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

lol...like McNabb?

Big difference between Hall and Haynesworth...Hall gives 100%, Haynesworth 40-45%

I can't believe in the fairy tale that Hall gives 100% all the time on the field. If that's true, he's simply not a skilled professional athlete.

I don't ask any of my team's players to give 100% on every play, because it's not realistic. I would ask them to put in enough effort to produce results representative of their skills at the highest level of pro football competition, the NFL. Haynesworth, I think, satisfies this requirement when he's on the field. So I wouldn't consider him an underachiever while playing.

Practice, perhaps. I don't know. But McNabb also took a lot of criticism for his practice effort. Just saying.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Warrick Holdman may better a better choice than Fatus Lumpus Albertus Feignworth III for that counterexample by Tripp.

Holdman would have been fine too, but the point I wanted to make was more related to the moralization of a player's actions.

Haynesworth may receive more just criticism than Hall, but that doesn't mean that all criticism of Hall's play is unjust.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, you're right that it's not the same situation, but it's exactly the same principle of supporting a Redskins player that may or may not always deserve unconditional support.

I still support DeAngelo Hall and Albert Haynesworth pretty equally based on the idea that they are still Redskins. Neither is one of my five favorite Redskins, but they are both integral parts of the team of the last two seasons. Some people have moralized why Hall should be untouchable in terms of criticism amongst fans, but that's an opinion they hold. Hall is not untouchable, even amongst his supporters.

My point was I don't like arbitrary lines drawn over who I can and cannot support. My point was not that there aren't very good reasons for being critical of Haynesworth (there are). There are also very good reasons for being critical of DHall's effort. And while their negatives couldn't be more different in nature, it would be an inconsistent principle to suggest that one isn't deserving of criticism for his on-field acts, and the other is.

And my point is you guys are beating a dead horse with drudging up all of these stats to paint a picture as to why Hall is trash and shouldn't have been voted into the Pro Bowl. Even some of you have went as far to discount such an honor as anything being worthwhile. i.e. "The Pro Bowl is a joke! Who cares that Hall made those INTs, TD, and was MVP, the quarterbacks weren't trying....etc...etc...." And meanwhile, if no Redskins player had made the Pro Bowl, then you guys would be pouting because the team had no pro bowl caliber representatives on the team. And I am saying, let it go already. All of you! Hall made the Pro Bowl. Whether if you agree with it or not, whether if you think it was anything worthwhile or not, the fact is, DeAngelo Hall was a Pro Bowl player this year and won the MVP award for the game. I don't care what type of stats you have or how you try to bend them, it doesn't erase the fact that Hall was a Pro Bowl player. I find it's much better to just accept it and be happy for him, rather than to complain and be critical about it for pages and pages.

With that said, D. Hall is not one of my favorites in regards to current Redskins players. He's not even in my top five, even though he is a VA Tech grad. I'm just sick and tired of the belly-aching that has become Redskins nation.