Redskins Sign Grossman

tryfuhl · 03-17-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

More likely a 4th and future 3rd (or vice versa)

does somebody know some possibilities?

I think at that point I'd try to package him up and get a 2nd

I don't know though

sandtrapjack · 03-17-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

I've asked this before. Which teams does history show (and make sure the quantity is a "substantially high number") are stuck due to picking a quarterback?

Wow, tall request but here goes. These are first round QB's:

David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler (Sorry to toss that one at you)
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown

SmootSmack · 03-17-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

does somebody know some possibilities?

I think at that point I'd try to package him up and get a 2nd

I don't know though

We may actually have to package him up to get the 3rd and 4th, alone he probably gets one or the other. And right now there is just one (maybe two) team interested in him.

over the mountain · 03-17-2010, 03:55 PM

sandy - but how did those picks "significantly set back" those franchises? what was the teams record a few years before they were drafted compared to what the teams record was for a few years after the draft.

its a fine point but perhaps drafting a bust qb early really just wastes an opportunity for the team to improve and not significantly set the team back. theres a difference there.

if the lions were going about 4-12 for a few years before they drafted harrington, then go 4-12 for a few years after, that really didnt set the lions significatly back as much as it was a lost opportunity to improve the team.

Ruhskins · 03-17-2010, 03:55 PM

I think what people keep forgetting is that drafting a QB with #4 is not right for the Redskins right now, plain and simple. Our offensive line has not gotten much better, and we could use a stud like Okung to come in and start at LT right away (the same way the Tuna got Jake Long).

I know people are sick of Campbell, but the team/fans/ownership/FO have to be patient, because unfortunately lack of patience is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble (and I don't mean patient with Campbell, but patient with the rebuilding process which should start with the OL). Personally, I'm not sold on Bradford...he may be highly touted, but I'm sure getting injured and only playing 2-3 games last season has some type of negative repercussion. Yes, I know he got better, etc., etc., but I'm just not sold. And Clausen is getting 2nd place to a guy like Bradford, no thanks.

I know getting Okung will not save the Redskins or lead them to a SB in 2010, but it's a start. Just as people claim that we can easily pick up a lineman in the 2nd round, I say that if we're going to pick up a QB to sit on the bench, let's pick him up in the 2nd round, and pick the lineman that can start right away with #4.

tryfuhl · 03-17-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think what people keep forgetting is that drafting a QB with #4 is not right for the Redskins right now, plain and simple. .

Oh yeah, I did forget that lol

good thing you reminded me

Audi · 03-17-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Wow, tall request but here goes. These are first round QB's:

David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler (Sorry to toss that one at you)
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown

Can you tell me how these teams were held back by drafting a quarterback? For example, would the Redskins have been a perennial playoff team in the 90's had they taken someone else besides Heath Shuler within reason?

Kalisto2010 · 03-17-2010, 03:58 PM

OMG, I must be in the twilight zone! Tell me I just didn't wake up to us signing Rex Grossman? Does this mean we're trading Campbell?

johno · 03-17-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

OMG, I must be in the twilight zone! Tell me I just didn't wake up to us signing Rex Grossman? Does this mean we're trading Campbell?

thats one way of looking at it. that, or we are planning on keeping JC and use our pick on the offensive line. or that we simply needed a backup QB and now we have one that knows the new offensive scheme and is younger than Collins.

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-17-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Too sexy for you is he?

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor

If the skins traded out of the 4th pick, picked up a 2nd round pick, and ended up drafting Spiller, Snead, and an offensive tackle, you'd be a rather happy camper, wouldnt you?

tryfuhl · 03-17-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Audi

Can you tell me how these teams were held back by drafting a quarterback? For example, would the Redskins have been a perennial playoff team in the 90's had they taken someone else besides Heath Shuler within reason?

Indeed...

such as in the early 2000s on

what'd we do with a good line?

if you can make the argument that the line is our only weakness that's fine, hell even the biggest, it arguably is.. but a line alone won't do it

either way, we'll see offensive improvements with a better line.. does it mean we have to use pick 4 on it? nope

tryfuhl · 03-17-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johno

thats one way of looking at it. that, or we are planning on keeping JC and use our pick on the offensive line. or that we simply needed a backup QB and now we have one that knows the new offensive scheme and is younger than Collins.

yep.. us signing Grossman means that he's our starter just as much as CLE signing Delhomme

you could argue that delhomme has a better opportunity though I guess

SmootSmack · 03-17-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the skins traded out of the 4th pick, picked up a 2nd round pick, and ended up drafting Spiller, Snead, and an offensive tackle, you'd be a rather happy camper, wouldnt you?

Hells yeah

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-17-2010, 04:09 PM

If we draft a QB in the first or 2nd round, i'd take whatever I could get for Campbell, since he really wouldnt have a place on the team. If we don't draft a QB, I wouldn't let Campbell go for anything less than a 2nd. he'd simply be too valuable to us.

tryfuhl · 03-17-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We may actually have to package him up to get the 3rd and 4th, alone he probably gets one or the other. And right now there is just one (maybe two) team interested in him.

I wouldn't want to give up much to get that

any chance of revealing interested teams?

03-17-2010, 03:55 PM	#169
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Redskins Sign Grossman sandy - but how did those picks "significantly set back" those franchises? what was the teams record a few years before they were drafted compared to what the teams record was for a few years after the draft. its a fine point but perhaps drafting a bust qb early really just wastes an opportunity for the team to improve and not significantly set the team back. theres a difference there. if the lions were going about 4-12 for a few years before they drafted harrington, then go 4-12 for a few years after, that really didnt set the lions significatly back as much as it was a lost opportunity to improve the team. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

03-17-2010, 03:55 PM	#170
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,331	Re: Redskins Sign Grossman I think what people keep forgetting is that drafting a QB with #4 is not right for the Redskins right now, plain and simple. Our offensive line has not gotten much better, and we could use a stud like Okung to come in and start at LT right away (the same way the Tuna got Jake Long). I know people are sick of Campbell, but the team/fans/ownership/FO have to be patient, because unfortunately lack of patience is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble (and I don't mean patient with Campbell, but patient with the rebuilding process which should start with the OL). Personally, I'm not sold on Bradford...he may be highly touted, but I'm sure getting injured and only playing 2-3 games last season has some type of negative repercussion. Yes, I know he got better, etc., etc., but I'm just not sold. And Clausen is getting 2nd place to a guy like Bradford, no thanks. I know getting Okung will not save the Redskins or lead them to a SB in 2010, but it's a start. Just as people claim that we can easily pick up a lineman in the 2nd round, I say that if we're going to pick up a QB to sit on the bench, let's pick him up in the 2nd round, and pick the lineman that can start right away with #4. __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-17-2010, 03:58 PM	#173
Kalisto2010 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF, Bay Area Posts: 392	Re: Redskins Sign Grossman OMG, I must be in the twilight zone! Tell me I just didn't wake up to us signing Rex Grossman? Does this mean we're trading Campbell? __________________ Team McNabb!

03-17-2010, 04:09 PM	#179
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Redskins Sign Grossman If we draft a QB in the first or 2nd round, i'd take whatever I could get for Campbell, since he really wouldnt have a place on the team. If we don't draft a QB, I wouldn't let Campbell go for anything less than a 2nd. he'd simply be too valuable to us. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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