How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

So if Vick was to show up on the next episode of To Catch A Predator do you think the NFL should have to await until after his trail to suspend him?

Are you being facetious or serious with such a question/analogy? If you already don't know the answer...guilt is pretty clear in that instance.

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

There was enough evidence against him that he was indited and he's brought so much negative attention to himself, the Falcons, and the entire league that I can't believe neither his team nor the league has suspended him yet.

The league can't do anything because the allegations are just that, allegations. It needs proof that he knew of everything that went on in that house. That's how the world works. No one really cares about Vick's side of things and the defensive evidence he might present to prove his innocent. Everyone has already judged him guilty. It pains me to think we are no longer a society that believes in "innocent until proven guilty."

What the league is trying to do right now (ask him to take time off) is the right thing to do and the only legal recourse they have.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Originally Posted by jsarno

While I would like to agree with you, the evidence is just too overwhelming for an educated person to dismiss.
I understand he's "innocent until proven guilty", but that only applies to a court of law. From all the evidence that has been presented, he's guilty.

I hear you, but I want to see what happens first, and I keep seeing the word "HATE" on here, hate is a racist word, which really mean's in some way the person who hate's feel's inferior to the other, wow, even on this site, I can't believe the power's to be, would let that kind of stuff go on, (way to step up), you can hate a team, for having a different logo, but a man, for being indited on a charge, even if he did do it, his ass is out of the league and he qualify for stupid. IF he's not guilty and just being drug in because some other's are trying to plea out............then I want to see guilty on M. Vick and then I'll say good by to his dumb ass, but.........I'm try leave the racist word's like "HATE" out!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Benoit, murdered his family.........and it was just a "tragacy" I don't cant remember in any hate going on............... I can see the difference now, kill a dog.........your the low life of all, kill your family and get the sympathy tag..........(lol)

[dallass-blows 2]

"sack #7"

"no excuse for animal abuse"

god i hate peta, i heard an interesting story on TV on that new show FIRST TAKE that Peta had a member of it's Hirearchy killing dogs and dumping them in dumpsters, yet they supported him the whole way until he was aquited of all charges. very interesting

bunch of hypocrites

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

I hear you, but I want to see what happens first, and I keep seeing the word "HATE" on here, hate is a racist word, which really mean's in some way the person who hate's feel's inferior to the other, wow, even on this site, I can't believe the power's to be, would let that kind of stuff go on, (way to step up), you can hate a team, for having a different logo, but a man, for being indited on a charge, even if he did do it, his ass is out of the league and he qualify for stupid. IF he's not guilty and just being drug in because some other's are trying to plea out............then I want to see guilty on M. Vick and then I'll say good by to his dumb ass, but.........I'm try leave the racist word's like "HATE" out!!!!!!!!!!!

hate - "The emotion of hate; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action"

racism - "The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination."

I think your confused

[Daseal]

Everyone keeps saying wait till all the facts, wait for the trial, etc etc. I would agree with that but the player policy in place is grey and doesn't require that. I just don't find it fair that you can suspend pacman who hasn't been convicted of a damn thing (and there's a far better chance he gets off completely than Vick) yet wait for Vick to finish his trial. Goodell HAS to suspend him at this point. Not yet, wait till NFL security finishes their analysis then go off that. Even if he gives him a year that is easily defendable.

Devils Own: Benoit and Michael Vick. Bad comparison. Benoit himself got absolutely zero sympathy. He was a fucking monster and should enjoy his spot in hell. There was sympathy for his wife and son, not for him.

Saden, the league CAN do whatever they want with the new player policy if they give the league a black eye. I wonder who has a higher percentage of wins, the DA in Las Vegas or the feds. The feds have a 95% conviction rate.

[81forHOF]

If Vick participated in or knew of any of these allegations he should be banished from the NFL for life. Period.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are you being facetious or serious with such a question/analogy? If you already don't know the answer...guilt is pretty clear in that instance.



The league can't do anything because the allegations are just that, allegations. It needs proof that he knew of everything that went on in that house. That's how the world works. No one really cares about Vick's side of things and the defensive evidence he might present to prove his innocent. Everyone has already judged him guilty. It pains me to think we are no longer a society that believes in "innocent until proven guilty."

What the league is trying to do right now (ask him to take time off) is the right thing to do and the only legal recourse they have.

So all of the people on TCAP are guilty even though they've yet to go on trail?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

So all of the people on TCAP are guilty even though they've yet to go on trail?

Comparing Vick's current circumstance to that of a TCAP perp is quite a reach.


Let me make this even more simple for you:
1. People on TCAP have been entrapped with the assistance of the authorities.
2. They were lured under the guise of having sex with a minor.
3. Internet chat transcripts show their intent to have sex with a minor.
4. They showed up to a house wanting to have sex with a minor.
5. They were arrested before they have the opportunity to have sex with a minor.


Basically, they are caught the moment before they committed a crime by law enforcement and we have full knowledge of their intent to commit a crime. The evidence against them is so overwhelming it's near impossible for them to prove their innocence. We can therefore deduce their guilt and convict them for the intent to commit the crime with the support of all the evidence. I can't say the same about Vick and the case against him.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Well I think the Commish should go by the new NFL Personal Conduct Policy of the NFL, if the circumstances call for suspension under the NFL PC Policy then suspend him and theres no need to wait for a trial.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

hate - "The emotion of hate; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action"

racism - "The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination."

I think your confused

No I think you are? Please dont give me that bullshit version of the dictonary, If you hate this man, for what reason,.... being indicted doesn't mean GUILTY, (remember that) hate and racism goes hand in hand, if you hate someone, its because of your inferiority towards them, not cause you know this person, ever since he came in the league, He dont do this right and he dont do that..... Like I said before "IF HE'S GUILTY, THEN GOOD BY TO HIM FROM THE LEAGUE", but to say you hate him.......has to be a motivation behind it......... but until he's found guilty, then im wait it out, but he does make to much money to be doing stuff like that, thats just straight DUMB....and as a Fan of Sports, I hate to see, a Superior Playmaker like that ruin his life, but if he's guilty............HE MADE HIS BED. but thanks the def.

[Daseal]

Hey Devils Own: You Can't Spell by Rob Manuel [B3TA : WE LOVE THE WEB]

Indicted by the feds is damn close to guilty. 95% of federal indicted cases result in a guilty result. This isn't some slackjawed DA (Poindexter?) this is the federal government. Is he guilty YET? No. Has Adam Jones been convicted of anything yet? No.

Racism being an excuse for this shit is ridiculous.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Hey Devils Own: You Can't Spell by Rob Manuel [B3TA : WE LOVE THE WEB]

Indicted by the feds is damn close to guilty. 95% of federal indicted cases result in a guilty result. This isn't some slackjawed DA (Poindexter?) this is the federal government. Is he guilty YET? No. Has Adam Jones been convicted of anything yet? No.

Racism being an excuse for this shit is ridiculous.

The Feds don't f'around. They hardly take on a case they can't get a conviction on which leads me to believe Vick is a cooked goose. Does that mean the NFL should give him the boot before the Feds do?

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by saden1

The Feds don't f'around. They hardly take on a case they can't get a conviction on which leads me to believe Vick is a cooked goose. Does that mean the NFL should give him to boot before the Feds do?

YES If what has occurred is against the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy like I said. Vick has rules and regulations he has to follow in the NFL as well as all other players.

[memphisskin]

The feds do cherrypick cases, so Vick seems screwed. But why is the state bringing charges now? This seems a bit hard for me to take, that Mike Vick is so involved in dogfighting. At the same time, the house was only $34,000 so it's entirely plausible that he gave that to a relative to get a business started. But involved in the day to day, pulling strings like that on an illegal enterprise? Really? Is the enemy dogfighting or Mike Vick? Is Mike Vick that big of an idiot? Perhaps, but I'm going to go with the presumption of innocence and hope that this unparalleled athlete didn't just go throw his football career away over dogfighting in Southern Virginia in his offseason. If so, he deserves it, but it's just a bit hard for me to take it as fact right now.