Salary Cap Analysis

Schneed10 · 02-26-2006, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

That is a great analysis but what about the rule of 51 that says the salaries of your highest 51 players must be in compliance by march 3rd. also your predictions for players willingness to prolong bonuses is a bit optimitstic. i think raymer is gone and so are hall and tupa. we should go young with frost and novak and after watching combine footage today we should be able to get a quality backup center late in the draft. where do your #'s come from cause one site i saw said if we trade ramsey we only save 1.4 mill.

Salary cap numbers

Sean Taylor is God · 02-26-2006, 11:21 PM

that is a cool resource. hopefully the cba will get done early this week. what is reasonable compenasation for ramsey? he was a first round pick and has good experience and has a good contract. that's a lot of positives but the market seems to be cold. does he stay? he often looks confused and retarded in the pocket

freddyg12 · 02-27-2006, 12:14 AM

Hey Fellas (and at least 1 lady I recall on the site), I've been reading the threads here over a year & a half, had to finally succumb to posting. Good stuff mainly, maybe I feel like I've been sponging. (Actually, I'd like to make small donations to the site from time to time, does MattyK handle such?)

As for this thread, there's a world to discuss, but has anyone thought of this:
Labor problems = Skins super bowl win!

Of course, this cba situation is vastly different from the 82 & 87 seasons, but the timing parallels are notalble nonetheless, Gibbs won in 82-83, his 2nd yr. & the 1st nfl strike. While this is Gibbs' 3rd year back, I'm hoping for history to repeat.
Also won in 87-88 with what may have been the most overacheiving super bowl team in history (I can't recall any other super bowl winner that had a qb controversy thru the year).
My point? did those teams win out of coincidence? I dont' think so, management & cohesion were hallmarks of Gibbs' teams, and in a strike induced season, teams that returned to the field w/a clear sense of order from the top fared well. While the lack of a cba deal poses great challenges to us now, before it's over don't be surprised if we manage to better a lot of teams that seem to be sitting pretty now. If nothing else, can you imagine this situation if Gibbs hadn't come on board?!!!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-27-2006, 01:33 AM

Freddyg12, not to kiss your butt too much, but your posts are thoughtful and well-supported. I for one am glad that you decided to start posting.

That Guy · 02-27-2006, 03:35 AM

no cba and we have to drop a ton of starters... it'd be hard to see the skins winning it all when other teams are under cap, have good teams, AND can buy up our cuts (like the eagles).

Schneed10 · 02-27-2006, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Hey Fellas (and at least 1 lady I recall on the site), I've been reading the threads here over a year & a half, had to finally succumb to posting. Good stuff mainly, maybe I feel like I've been sponging. (Actually, I'd like to make small donations to the site from time to time, does MattyK handle such?)

As for this thread, there's a world to discuss, but has anyone thought of this:
Labor problems = Skins super bowl win!

Of course, this cba situation is vastly different from the 82 & 87 seasons, but the timing parallels are notalble nonetheless, Gibbs won in 82-83, his 2nd yr. & the 1st nfl strike. While this is Gibbs' 3rd year back, I'm hoping for history to repeat.
Also won in 87-88 with what may have been the most overacheiving super bowl team in history (I can't recall any other super bowl winner that had a qb controversy thru the year).
My point? did those teams win out of coincidence? I dont' think so, management & cohesion were hallmarks of Gibbs' teams, and in a strike induced season, teams that returned to the field w/a clear sense of order from the top fared well. While the lack of a cba deal poses great challenges to us now, before it's over don't be surprised if we manage to better a lot of teams that seem to be sitting pretty now. If nothing else, can you imagine this situation if Gibbs hadn't come on board?!!!

Glad you started posting, hope you do it often.

I think Gibbs has an advantage in a strike season because he's such a team builder. During a strike, most players are thinking about their wallets and the labor issues, but Gibbs' players seem to think more about playing together, working hard, and staying together as a team. It's these kinds of situations when "character guys" really pay off.

We still have an uphill battle this year, and we can only go as far as our QB takes us (whether it's Brunell or Campbell). And the labor situation might be resolved in the next few weeks. But you definitely can't count Joe Gibbs out in any season.

Monksdown · 02-27-2006, 11:14 AM

"It may have already been posted, but, as far as I know, my man Dan ponied up his own jack for land and stadium. That makes him signifigantly more invested than most other owners, as stadiums are mostly funded by cities. I don't know the details of the owners proposal, but all things cannot possibly be equal. It is beyond me how you can apply an equal equation for sharing?"

Im sure that Dan's attornies will see that his handicap is rather large. If you catch my drift. You get to be creative when your franchise is worth over a billion. Say for example, joining the Cowboys with a guaranteed Thanksgiving Game every year. Or local television rights would be a big one.

Schneed10 · 03-14-2006, 11:31 AM

$ Committed to Players in 2006: $116.8 million
Less Rule of 51: ($4.8 million)
Plus Dead Cap: $3.57 million
Increase in Min Base Sal due to CBA: ~ $2 million
Salary Cap Total Before Recent Moves: $117.3 million

NFL Salary Cap Limit: $102 million

Actual Cuts - Cap Savings:
Brandon Noble - $1.7 million
Walt Harris - $2 million
Matt Bowen - $2 million
Corey Raymer - $1 million
Tom Tupa - $600 K
Lavar Arrington - $4.4 million
Total Cap Savings from Cuts: $11.7 million

Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts: $105.6 million

Roster Bonuses Restructured - Cap Savings
Sean Taylor: $1.8 million
Clinton Portis: $2.5 million
Casey Rabach: $1.5 million
Shawn Springs: $2.5 million
Cornelius Griffin: $2.0 million
Marcus Washington: $1.9 million
Chris Samuels: $3.7 million
Total Cap Savings from Roster Bonus Restructures: $15.9 million

Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts, Trades, Post June 1 Cuts, and Roster Bonus Restructures: $87.7 million

2006 Cap: $102 million

Expected Cap Room before Trading Ramsey: $15.3 million

When we trade Ramsey: $1.7 million

Total Cap Room Available for 2006: $17 million

The tendering of our RFAs and the resigning of Rock Cartwright are not included in these numbers.

This analysis does not include any restructures of base salary which may have occurred. These would create even more cap room. If you know of any, please post them and I will update.

CrazyCanuck · 03-14-2006, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

$ Committed to Players in 2006: $116.8 million
Less Rule of 51: ($4.8 million)
Plus Dead Cap: $3.57 million
Increase in Min Base Sal due to CBA: ~ $2 million
Salary Cap Total Before Recent Moves: $117.3 million

NFL Salary Cap Limit: $102 million

Actual Cuts - Cap Savings:
Brandon Noble - $1.7 million
Walt Harris - $2 million
Matt Bowen - $2 million
Corey Raymer - $1 million
Tom Tupa - $600 K
Lavar Arrington - $4.4 million
Total Cap Savings from Cuts: $11.7 million

Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts: $105.6 million

Roster Bonuses Restructured - Cap Savings
Sean Taylor: $1.8 million
Clinton Portis: $2.5 million
Casey Rabach: $1.5 million
Shawn Springs: $2.5 million
Cornelius Griffin: $2.0 million
Marcus Washington: $1.9 million
Chris Samuels: $3.7 million
Total Cap Savings from Roster Bonus Restructures: $15.9 million

Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts, Trades, Post June 1 Cuts, and Roster Bonus Restructures: $87.7 million

2006 Cap: $102 million

Expected Cap Room before Trading Ramsey: $15.3 million

When we trade Ramsey: $1.7 million

Total Cap Room Available for 2006: $17 million

The tendering of our RFAs and the resigning of Rock Cartwright are not included in these numbers.

This analysis does not include any restructures of base salary which may have occurred. These would create even more cap room. If you know of any, please post them and I will update.

Nice post Schneed.

Some other factors:

- salary mins have increased which will reduce the cap room.
- option bonuses due in 2006 can now be prorated 5 years instead of 4 which increases the cap room.
- you added $4.4M in savings for Lavar, but you didn't include his $12M deadcap charge. His net deadcap charge will be around $8M ($12M - $4M).

I'm gonna try to get some new cap sheets up in the next few days even if I have to make a bunch of assumptions.

EDIT: Sorry just realized you did factor in the salary min increases into your calculations.

Schneed10 · 03-14-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Nice post Schneed.

Some other factors:

- salary mins have increased which will reduce the cap room.
- option bonuses due in 2006 can now be prorated 5 years instead of 4 which increases the cap room.
- you added $4.4M in savings for Lavar, but you didn't include his $12M deadcap charge. His net deadcap charge will be around $8M ($12M - $4M).

I'm gonna try to get some new cap sheets up in the next few days even if I have to make a bunch of assumptions.

EDIT: Sorry just realized you did factor in the salary min increases into your calculations.

I see you noticed the min salary increases included in the top. Arrington's contract was scheduled to count $12.something million in 2006 if he were on the roster, and that got included in the top line of $116.8 million. So his dead money would be wrapped up in the starting number, minus the $4.4 million.

Sorry that was confusing, I should have broken his dead money out after he got cut.

I'm sure you've been trying to come across cap figures for the new contracts, I know I have been and it's pretty much impossible at this point. One thing's certain, we can prorate the signing bonuses over 5 years. And then knowing the Skins, it's probably safe to assume that the base salaries are set at the vet minimum in the early years of the contract.

CrazyCanuck · 03-14-2006, 02:53 PM

Ok now I see how you handled Lavar.

Ya finding contract info is tough. For the next update I'll have to make some assumptions. Once the dust settles in the next couple weeks, it should be easier to find more accurate numbers.

That Guy · 03-14-2006, 08:15 PM

generally the contracts are vet min for 2 years, with 2mill a year in SB proration.

arch only gets 5$ in SB, and 1$mill in roster bonuses each year after the first.

probably only spent ~11$ mill so far on players. though after the draft we might move some money forward (from future base salaries).

base salary restructures would only make sense for jansen, brunell, and thomas. brunell is least likely since he'll be cut in the next couple years.

02-26-2006, 11:21 PM	#167
Sean Taylor is God Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 68	Re: Salary Cap Analysis that is a cool resource. hopefully the cba will get done early this week. what is reasonable compenasation for ramsey? he was a first round pick and has good experience and has a good contract. that's a lot of positives but the market seems to be cold. does he stay? he often looks confused and retarded in the pocket

02-27-2006, 12:14 AM	#168
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Salary Cap Analysis Hey Fellas (and at least 1 lady I recall on the site), I've been reading the threads here over a year & a half, had to finally succumb to posting. Good stuff mainly, maybe I feel like I've been sponging. (Actually, I'd like to make small donations to the site from time to time, does MattyK handle such?) As for this thread, there's a world to discuss, but has anyone thought of this: Labor problems = Skins super bowl win! Of course, this cba situation is vastly different from the 82 & 87 seasons, but the timing parallels are notalble nonetheless, Gibbs won in 82-83, his 2nd yr. & the 1st nfl strike. While this is Gibbs' 3rd year back, I'm hoping for history to repeat. Also won in 87-88 with what may have been the most overacheiving super bowl team in history (I can't recall any other super bowl winner that had a qb controversy thru the year). My point? did those teams win out of coincidence? I dont' think so, management & cohesion were hallmarks of Gibbs' teams, and in a strike induced season, teams that returned to the field w/a clear sense of order from the top fared well. While the lack of a cba deal poses great challenges to us now, before it's over don't be surprised if we manage to better a lot of teams that seem to be sitting pretty now. If nothing else, can you imagine this situation if Gibbs hadn't come on board?!!!

02-27-2006, 01:33 AM	#169
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Salary Cap Analysis Freddyg12, not to kiss your butt too much, but your posts are thoughtful and well-supported. I for one am glad that you decided to start posting.

02-27-2006, 03:35 AM	#170
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Salary Cap Analysis no cba and we have to drop a ton of starters... it'd be hard to see the skins winning it all when other teams are under cap, have good teams, AND can buy up our cuts (like the eagles).

02-27-2006, 11:14 AM	#172
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 1,515	Re: Salary Cap Analysis "It may have already been posted, but, as far as I know, my man Dan ponied up his own jack for land and stadium. That makes him signifigantly more invested than most other owners, as stadiums are mostly funded by cities. I don't know the details of the owners proposal, but all things cannot possibly be equal. It is beyond me how you can apply an equal equation for sharing?" Im sure that Dan's attornies will see that his handicap is rather large. If you catch my drift. You get to be creative when your franchise is worth over a billion. Say for example, joining the Cowboys with a guaranteed Thanksgiving Game every year. Or local television rights would be a big one.

03-14-2006, 11:31 AM	#173
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Salary Cap Analysis $ Committed to Players in 2006: $116.8 million Less Rule of 51: ($4.8 million) Plus Dead Cap: $3.57 million Increase in Min Base Sal due to CBA: ~ $2 million Salary Cap Total Before Recent Moves: $117.3 million NFL Salary Cap Limit: $102 million Actual Cuts - Cap Savings: Brandon Noble - $1.7 million Walt Harris - $2 million Matt Bowen - $2 million Corey Raymer - $1 million Tom Tupa - $600 K Lavar Arrington - $4.4 million Total Cap Savings from Cuts: $11.7 million Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts: $105.6 million Roster Bonuses Restructured - Cap Savings Sean Taylor: $1.8 million Clinton Portis: $2.5 million Casey Rabach: $1.5 million Shawn Springs: $2.5 million Cornelius Griffin: $2.0 million Marcus Washington: $1.9 million Chris Samuels: $3.7 million Total Cap Savings from Roster Bonus Restructures: $15.9 million Salary Cap $ Scheduled in 2006 after Cuts, Trades, Post June 1 Cuts, and Roster Bonus Restructures: $87.7 million 2006 Cap: $102 million Expected Cap Room before Trading Ramsey: $15.3 million When we trade Ramsey: $1.7 million Total Cap Room Available for 2006: $17 million The tendering of our RFAs and the resigning of Rock Cartwright are not included in these numbers. This analysis does not include any restructures of base salary which may have occurred. These would create even more cap room. If you know of any, please post them and I will update. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

03-14-2006, 02:53 PM	#176
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: Salary Cap Analysis Ok now I see how you handled Lavar. Ya finding contract info is tough. For the next update I'll have to make some assumptions. Once the dust settles in the next couple weeks, it should be easier to find more accurate numbers.

03-14-2006, 08:15 PM	#177
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Salary Cap Analysis generally the contracts are vet min for 2 years, with 2mill a year in SB proration. arch only gets 5$ in SB, and 1$mill in roster bonuses each year after the first. probably only spent ~11$ mill so far on players. though after the draft we might move some money forward (from future base salaries). base salary restructures would only make sense for jansen, brunell, and thomas. brunell is least likely since he'll be cut in the next couple years.

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