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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

15000 TRUMPS the dems would commit Hari Kari en masse!!!

No, russia would love it though and you would be calling everyone comrade...............,comrade.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Seems to me that he is trying to send the message to the caravan instigators to turn it around, or at least to the people in the caravans.

If people were using common sense instead of hate_trump mentality - yes, but most of these instances are driven by people who have trump based insanity, and we aren't seeing a whole lot of rational behavior on either side.

LOL..........when in doubt you defend trump no matter what .

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Anyone have a problem with this stunt of Trump sending troops to the border? Seems like the number being sent is rising by the day, seems slightly fucking ridiculous to me.

Yes , there is Boarder patrol ,supplement it with Police if you have to .Trump sending military is strictly for show.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I would send 1 million troops.

[mooby]

I'd have to dig it up but IIRC the military can only help the police in a support role, not a "handle all their duties" role. Something about separation of military and police that went into law way back when. Of course I'm sure there's a clause in there somewhere about it being allowed in cases of emergency, aka like when the National Guard gets deployed for natural disaster relief. The argument would lie in "does a migrant caravan constitute an emergency," to which me and G1 would probably say no, and Cred/Chico would probably say yes. (If I'm wrong I'd happily eat that crow Cred/Chico).

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'd have to dig it up but IIRC the military can only help the police in a support role, not a "handle all their duties" role. Something about separation of military and police that went into law way back when. Of course I'm sure there's a clause in there somewhere about it being allowed in cases of emergency, aka like when the National Guard gets deployed for natural disaster relief. The argument would lie in "does a migrant caravan constitute an emergency," to which me and G1 would probably say no, and Cred/Chico would probably say yes. (If I'm wrong I'd happily eat that crow Cred/Chico).

My viewpoint is this, thousand of people want and try to come into the US everyday.Kinda like and airport security line on a regular week day and then on Thanksgiving it's a major rush of thousands of people and yes you need extra people there but they don't call out the Military for it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'd have to dig it up but IIRC the military can only help the police in a support role, not a "handle all their duties" role. Something about separation of military and police that went into law way back when. Of course I'm sure there's a clause in there somewhere about it being allowed in cases of emergency, aka like when the National Guard gets deployed for natural disaster relief. The argument would lie in "does a migrant caravan constitute an emergency," to which me and G1 would probably say no, and Cred/Chico would probably say yes. (If I'm wrong I'd happily eat that crow Cred/Chico).

I believe you are correct. But what I heard was the plan was to use the military's mobility to enhance the border patrol, so if border control agents need to get 15 miles down the road, the air force or army will have personnel there to make it happen, or they need more constatine wire, the mp's have lots of that (trust me i know - shit's a pain in the ...)

[Chico23231]

I really don’t care, but they try to come into the country illegally, they all should be arrested and deported.

It’s logistics...military is probably more prepared to deal with an unpredictable mass of people intent on breaking federal law than police. I think people are twisting the narrative and think this will be a confrontation...I think it’s more a political act for the organizers who really want the media to over sensationalize and take a bunch of emotional photos. Of course confrontation is what the media prefers.

It really doesn’t matter at this point in terms of outcome...it’s trumps fault always. We get it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I really don’t care, but they try to come into the country illegally, they all should be arrested and deported.

It’s logistics...military is probably more prepared to deal with an unpredictable mass of people intent on breaking federal law than police. I think people are twisting the narrative and think this will be a confrontation...I think it’s more a political act for the organizers who really want the media to over sensationalize and take a bunch of emotional photos. Of course confrontation is what the media prefers.

It really doesn’t matter at this point in terms of outcome...it’s trumps fault always. We get it.

Good, then talk to Credskin ...he doesn't.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Good, then talk to Credskin ...he doesn't.

I get it, but the real fact of all of this caravan crap is this. Trump didn't get a wall. Dem's don't want a wall, Republicans - especially corruporate ones, don't want a wall. Trumps base want's a wall, and may not have turned out since there was no wall.

So what does Trump do, he finds a thing to highlight the difference between the dems and trump republicans, and shouts from the roof top, the migrants are coming the migrants are coming. I will put forth the military to stop them now (they won't be on soil before the election) but OH OH OH, if you send Dems to the congress they will open the borders wide for them.

It's a great political strategy, it highlights differences that the dems would prefer not to focus on, and is at worse a nothing issue for most republicans, and at best a rallying cry for a part of the base that felt this republican congress let them down.

It's political chicanery at it's best/worst because by the time these caravans reach the border, the military's time on site will be winding down, the election will be over, and the majority of the walkers will have found places in Mexico rather than trying to outrun 15,000 troops along with the border guards.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I really don’t care, but they try to come into the country illegally, they all should be arrested and deported.

It’s logistics...military is probably more prepared to deal with an unpredictable mass of people intent on breaking federal law than police. I think people are twisting the narrative and think this will be a confrontation...I think it’s more a political act for the organizers who really want the media to over sensationalize and take a bunch of emotional photos. Of course confrontation is what the media prefers.

It really doesn’t matter at this point in terms of outcome...it’s trumps fault always. We get it.

How exactly do you think 4k people in a big line are going to enter illegally?

The only logical play is asking for asylum, which we have laws in place for, which should be enforced? Right? Do you have a problem with refugees asking for asylum? Then change the law. That's a little harder than signing an executive order though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

How exactly do you think 4k people in a big line are going to enter illegally?

The only logical play is asking for asylum, which we have laws in place for, which should be enforced? Right? Do you have a problem with refugees asking for asylum? Then change the law. That's a little harder than signing an executive order though.

to be fair they did a pretty good job of getting into Mexico, and that's a relatively small geographic area to cross. Right now the caravan could go to any point on the southern border, and if Trump had done nothing, and let the border patrol handle it with no extra capabilities, likely they could have crossed in sporadic groups somewhere along the rio grande at night time.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

to be fair they did a pretty good job of getting into Mexico, and that's a relatively small geographic area to cross. Right now the caravan could go to any point on the southern border, and if Trump had done nothing, and let the border patrol handle it with no extra capabilities, likely they could have crossed in sporadic groups somewhere along the rio grande at night time.

What you don't think the Border patrol works at night? I love it..."no extra capabilities" ,so send police,send State police . You're reaching to justify the illegal use of the military.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What you don't think the Border patrol works at night? I love it..."no extra capabilities" ,so send police,send State police . You're reaching to justify the illegal use of the military.

Pretty sure the military defending the border, is likely a constitutionally ok thing.

you seem to stretching to justify bashing any move by trump.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

to be fair they did a pretty good job of getting into Mexico, and that's a relatively small geographic area to cross. Right now the caravan could go to any point on the southern border, and if Trump had done nothing, and let the border patrol handle it with no extra capabilities, likely they could have crossed in sporadic groups somewhere along the rio grande at night time.

To also be fair let's compare how much money Mexico spends on their southern border patrol compared to how much we spend on ours. And to make it even more fair we won't compare full budgets as our border is much bigger, let's just take the total mileage from Mexico's border and work the math until we have a fair comparison.

But seriously, do you think our border patrol wouldn't just go spread out across the border from wherever the caravan ends up if the military wasn't going? Put out some OT, organize the border patrol troops, and set them up. Are those immigrants going to try and fight the border patrol to get in? No.

At this point I don't even care if a wall gets built, at least it's not money going towards bailouts of undeserving companies, or getting tacked onto the military budget, or going towards paying Trump's golf courses for the cost of the Secret Service overrunning one of them every other weekend.

My problem with the wall is the drug war. It will stop solo cartel workers from coming in with 50 lb bundles of weed on their backs, but it's not gonna stop bulk shipments coming in via truck, plane, boat, or tunnel.