Round 2 Nfl playoffs.

[OmahaRedskins]

Where do you place Aikman? I put him then next group. Manning, Marino, Aikman, Favre, Moon, and Roethlisberger.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Moon instead of Montana? As much as I hate the 49ers Montana was unbelievable, I saw him make some passes against all pro defenders that no one could and his legendary comebacks. I saw his whole career here in SF.

Montana is my undisputed #1

Best QB I ever seen play.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Superbowl rings imo should have zero to do with rankings. Dan Marino is in my top 5. Eli, Trent, Rypien, and a host of others are not. Off the top of my head i would go
Brady
Marino
Elway
Manning
Moon

Edit: i hesitate about the Staubachs, Bradshaws, Montanas, and Youngs because they were surrounded by HOF everythings. What some of my top 5 did with the teams they had is amazing. That being said I wouldnt balk at a list that had any of those guys. Otto Graham. Sammy Baugh. Im too young to know.

I agree thst maybe SB wins shouldn't be the most important factor, but only for QBs who only won it once: Dilfer, Rypien, Brad Johnson, McMahon, etc. If they have multiple rings they deserve to be in the discussion for GOAT. Sorry, but winning superbowla is what it's all about. And all great QBs played on teams surrounded by HOFs, otherwise they wouldn't be dynasties. But t all starts with the QB. You don't have a dynasty without a top QB of all time.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Superbowl rings imo should have zero to do with rankings. Dan Marino is in my top 5. Eli, Trent, Rypien, and a host of others are not. Off the top of my head i would go
Brady
Marino
Elway
Manning
Moon

Edit: i hesitate about the Staubachs, Bradshaws, Montanas, and Youngs because they were surrounded by HOF everythings. What some of my top 5 did with the teams they had is amazing. That being said I wouldnt balk at a list that had any of those guys. Otto Graham. Sammy Baugh. Im too young to know.

if you watch old otto graham tape and put it in context it's crazy. he was running a passing attack that was 20 years ahead of its time. comebacks, timing routes, etc that no one else was running back then. 114-20-4 as a starter, 9 ypa, and a NBL (NBA) championship to boot. he also coached the skins for 3 years, but that didn't work out well, and he was replaced with vince lombardi. craziness.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Where do you place Aikman? I put him then next group. Manning, Marino, Aikman, Favre, Moon, and Roethlisberger.

Second tier.

Aikman, Farve, Young, Marino, Fouts, Kelly, Moon, Staubach, Brees.

I think Manning is top tier and Bradshaw second, despite the SBs.

Then there are the greats from when the QB position was something quite different: Unitas, Starr, Baugh.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Bradshaw called his own plays and won 4 SB. He is top 5 of all time. Montana, Brady, Elway, Kelly, and Bradsaw.

Man talk about surrounded by HOFers. Stallworth, Swann, Bleier, Franco, Webster. A D that would have won games without those guys. Lol. Could have plugged John Beck into that team n probably won several games.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if you watch old otto graham tape and put it in context it's crazy. he was running a passing attack that was 20 years ahead of its time. comebacks, timing routes, etc that no one else was running back then. 114-20-4 as a starter, 9 ypa, and a NBL (NBA) championship to boot. he also coached the skins for 3 years, but that didn't work out well, and he was replaced with vince lombardi. craziness.

That is a crazy wins loss record. Insane. Just total domination. Im sure he belongs in the top 5 but too long ago for me to completely fathom it....

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Again though look at the teams Moon played for. Plus 5 years in the CFL. Montana was surrounded by HOFers on both sides. If you put Warren Moon on the Niners for his 22 years 78-2000 my God.
Edit: also like I said i would not necessarily argue Montana being anywhere 1-10 on the list of greatest quarterbacks. I put alot into situations and teammates. Maybe too much, and yes I realize that is not up to the player. I ask myself what if you switched Montanas situation with Moons or Marinos. I always find myself saying that Montana wouldn't have accomplished what those guys did.

49ers first SB they were a bunch of no nobody's , Dwight Clark (10th round pick) Earl Cooper, Freddie Solomon, Bill Ring, Paul Hofer, who? Beat the star ladden cowboys and went to win their first SB, the rest is history.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

49ers first SB they were a bunch of no nobody's , Dwight Clark (10th round pick) Earl Cooper, Freddie Solomon, Bill Ring, Paul Hofer, who? Beat the star ladden cowboys and went to win their first SB, the rest is history.

But the rest isnt just history. Its also exactly what I said...him surrounded by a heck of a team.
Edit: I was at the old Philly Spectrum watching a hockey game. My Dad had a little portable tv. I remember there being alot of them and alot of radios that night. When "the catch" happened the Spectrum went nuts. As loud as I ever heard it for the Flyers themselves. Lol

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

But the rest isnt just history. Its also exactly what I said...him surrounded by a heck of a team.
Edit: I was at the old Philly Spectrum watching a hockey game. My Dad had a little portable tv. I remember there being alot of them and alot of radios that night. When "the catch" happened the Spectrum went nuts. As loud as I ever heard it for the Flyers themselves. Lol

John Taylor and Jerry Rice didn't come till 1985 and 1986. Montana like Brady made his average receivers better. By 1984 Joe had won 2 SB's, their best draft was in 1986.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

John Taylor and Jerry Rice didn't come till 1985 and 1986. Montana like Brady made his average receivers better. By 1984 Joe had won 2 SB's, their best draft was in 1986.

Still had great teams n a great coach.
As Ive said he is a great QB. Put him anywhere from 1-10 on your list n i wont think twice about it, but I can think of 5 i would take before him if I were starting a team tomorrow.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Still had great teams n a great coach.
As Ive said he is a great QB. Put him anywhere from 1-10 on your list n i wont think twice about it, but I can think of 5 i would take before him if I were starting a team tomorrow.

You are crazy, Montana or Brady for me, currently Andrew Luck.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

You are crazy, Montana or Brady for me, currently Andrew Luck.

All three with ties to the West Coast? Hmmmm. Who is your fourth choice? Todd Marinovich?

[Chico23231]

1. Manning
1 a. Brady
2. Horse tooth jackass
2a Montana
3. Marino

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

1. Manning

1 a. Brady

2. Horse tooth jackass

2a Montana

3. Marino