Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

By 2013 I think we will go for a first round QB for sure, if not sooner. If Donovan doesn't turn out to be the savior, you will have to draft one in the next few years. IF Donovan lives up to expectation you still need a young QB to give the team a strong backup and a potential succesor to McNabb. If Beck works out great, but to be honest the duo of Beck and Bartel isn't so promising on paper, and Grossman sucks. You can't expect to build for the long term around #5, since he realistically only has 5 years left, with a possible shelf life of only 3. WE can't put our eggs all in one basket is my drift.

next couple of drafts if they end up existing

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

By 2013 I think we will go for a first round QB for sure, if not sooner. If Donovan doesn't turn out to be the savior, you will have to draft one in the next few years. IF Donovan lives up to expectation you still need a young QB to give the team a strong backup and a potential succesor to McNabb. If Beck works out great, but to be honest the duo of Beck and Bartel isn't so promising on paper, and Grossman sucks. You can't expect to build for the long term around #5, since he realistically only has 5 years left, with a possible shelf life of only 3. WE can't put our eggs all in one basket is my drift.

After the Brian Griese experiment failed, Shanahan sure took his damn time in drafting a first round QB, instead relying on Jake Plummer in the interim until 2006, when their relationship soured to a point of no return. Basically, if the QB isn't a mobile one, Shanahan isn't going to give much of a look towards him. So, if the highly touted 1st round QB prospects don't have mobility and other QB skills, Shanahan is more than likely going to pass on said prospects.

[gafinfan]

Hi to all and Hail to the Redskins! I've enjoyed the Dolphins/Redskins battles for a very long time and while living in Roanoke VA. (for 8 years) I got to enjoy your rabid ways though always respectful.

I, too, am a John Beck fan who thinks and feels he was never given a fair shake because in 07 he was thrown to the wolves and given no chance to suceed on a very bad team with alot of injuries to the starters by the time John started. Since that terrible start he has only been given the chance to play in one full game, last years Ravens 4th preseason game against the Falcons.

You can go to YouTube and the NFL channel to watch the reply of that game and also view John's stats for it, which are quite good.

[CultBrennan59]

Just wanted to mention that since this thread mentions Doug Dutch, that he said to the baltimore sun that practices as a redskins were much easier than as a raven.

All I got to say to that is sure the ravens go harder at practice, but they've already lost their starting corner for the year during these tough practices. That has happened here yet (Knock on wood that it doesn't happen here at all)

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Not in the first round though. Not unless he's the next Jay Cutler or John Elway talent-wise. For all the crap Cutler gets, he was really a beast when he played for Shanahan.

Although i agree with you about Shanahan not taking a QB in the first round the rookie salary cap might make the taking a 1st round QB cheaper and thusly less risky.
But, i also think that taking a QB high in the 1st round is a desperation move for a franchise and that most QB 'gurus' given their druthers would prefer to draft and groom a QB later in the draft at the earliest late in the 1st.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Although i agree with you about Shanahan not taking a QB in the first round the rookie salary cap might make the taking a 1st round QB cheaper and thusly less risky.
But, i also think that taking a QB high in the 1st round is a desperation move for a franchise and that most QB 'gurus' given their druthers would prefer to draft and groom a QB later in the draft at the earliest late in the 1st.

Depends on the QB in question. You get a cool handed customer like say a Peyton Manning type, who guided a decent program to a BCS run, you better snag him if available. You have to do it. Right now we are Donovan MCNabb or bust, and it might be a 50/50 proposition with Dononvan since his WR corp doesn't look so promising at the moment. Grossman sucks. Beck is a no name entity and not likely to ever become a starter. Would be a great story if he did, but don't bet on it. Same with Bartel. If the McNabb experiment goes bust fast, you are faced with a Shuler scenario all over again. Better to have someone to really groom under Donovan than wait a few years. Then you will probably get yet another HC and/or GM if that occurs(getting a QB later than sooner) I don't think Snyder is going to want to wait another 5 years to get a winner.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Depends on the QB in question. You get a cool handed customer like say a Peyton Manning type, who guided a decent program to a BCS run, you better snag him if available. You have to do it.

You only have to do it if your franchise is in desperation mode.
(Trying to re-build and appease the fanbase with a "face" of the franchise)
And plus no one knows if a Peyton Manning is gonna be Manning or turn out like Ryan Leaf. Many well respected GMs had Leaf over Manning.
It all goes back to this statement made by Bill Walsh and often repeated by Mike Lombardi-
"Very few people know how to properly evaluate a QB and fewer still know how to coach them"

If you have a stable franchise and trust that your staff can develop a QB you draft one when it suit you and you groom him to be your starter.
Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren NEVER took a 1st round QB.
Look at the league right now how many are 1st rounders?
None of these guys are (were) Warner, Brady, Favre, Brees, T. Jackson, Cassel, Hasselbeck, Schaub, Romo, Delhomme, Moore, Orton.

Right now we are Donovan MCNabb or bust, and it might be a 50/50 proposition with Dononvan since his WR corp doesn't look so promising at the moment.

Okay, follow my logic on this one.
We have virtually the same receiver corps as last year minus ARE.
I personally don't think ARE is gonna cripple our passing game.
So it comes down to wether you think McNabb+Shanahan+improved OL
can produce a better passing game then Campbell+Zorn+Worst OL in the league.
The answer is pretty simple for me.
And if McNabb is a 50/50 success failure proposition then what would the odds for a rookie QB be? 15/85?

If the McNabb experiment goes bust fast, you are faced with a Shuler scenario all over again. Better to have someone to really groom under Donovan than wait a few years. Then you will probably get yet another HC and/or GM if that occurs(getting a QB later than sooner) I don't think Snyder is going to want to wait another 5 years to get a winner.

Most team are always grooming QBs and i think its a smart thing to do.
Holmgren for example produced several solid to starting caliber QB from his system all without ever drafting a 1st round QB.
Of course they should groom a QB, i said that in my post and i'm sure they'll draft a QB next year and groom them, but i would doubt that they would take one in the 1st round what would the reason be?
McNabb gives them at least 2-3 years to groom a QB a suitable replacement or QB of the future the right way.

Why would it take 5 years?
There is no way Snyder fires Shanahan.

[30gut]

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/reds...actice-mon-89/

Originally Posted by Rich Campbell

QB John Beck has some tools that these coaches should be able to work with. Early in 11-on-11 work, he rolled to his left and threw across his body, hitting TE Logan Paulsen in stride for a nice gain. He also drilled WR Shay Hodge in stride on a deep slant.

I’ve heard people around the league rave about how smart Beck is. He looks more comfortable in the offense every day. Today that showed in how he checked to Hodge in a hot read against the blitz. It was a quick slant that picked up about 10 yards.

Kyle Shanahan said last week that Beck hasn’t proved he can’t do it in the NFL. That’s an interesting way to look at him. Beck was drafted in the second round, so he has a quality pedigree. Perhaps being with the Shanahan father-son duo and McNabb will provide him with a level of teaching he wasn’t exposed to in Miami and Baltimore.

[BYUClark]

Looks like my boy, Beck, is starting to show. I'm liking this. And so early with the team.

It's still early, but good to see John doing as well as he is so far.
Sorry, I can't post links yet, or I would have.

From Redskins Confidential (Today):

"QB John Beck. Continues to grow in this offense. Connected with Banks on a deep ball and dumped a nice touch pass over the top of LB Chris Draft to RB Clinton Portis for a nice gain. Beck had rolled to his left on the play. I’ll be curious to see how Beck develops; he’s also not some young kid. Maybe he could grow into a solid No. 2 some day."

And Monday:

"Funny how good Richard Bartel looked last week when facing off vs. Colt Brennan last week. Bartel is now the forgotten guy with John Beck around. Beck continues to show a little more each practice. He can throw from different angles, which isn’t bad. But it’s his ability to know when to throw that helps. He has a good feel for the rhythm of a play. Don’t know what this will mean, but I’ve seen things I like."

[bigdaddy2348]

Vinny would have given a 1st and a 3rd for him

[30gut]

On Beck's arm strength:

Originally Posted by Anthony Armstrong

"The highlight of practice," he mused. "Hmmm. John Beck was rolling to his left and had a hell of a pass to Brandon Banks. He looks like he's getting pretty comfortable in the offense in the short couple days that he's been here. We've been saying that he does have a live arm, but it's a whole 'nother quarterback so we've gotta get used to him throwing the ball too, and work on it from there."

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

Looks like my boy, Beck, is starting to show. I'm liking this. And so early with the team.

It's still early, but good to see John doing as well as he is so far.
Sorry, I can't post links yet, or I would have.

From Redskins Confidential (Today):

"QB John Beck. Continues to grow in this offense. Connected with Banks on a deep ball and dumped a nice touch pass over the top of LB Chris Draft to RB Clinton Portis for a nice gain. Beck had rolled to his left on the play. I’ll be curious to see how Beck develops; he’s also not some young kid. Maybe he could grow into a solid No. 2 some day."

And Monday:

"Funny how good Richard Bartel looked last week when facing off vs. Colt Brennan last week. Bartel is now the forgotten guy with John Beck around. Beck continues to show a little more each practice. He can throw from different angles, which isn’t bad. But it’s his ability to know when to throw that helps. He has a good feel for the rhythm of a play. Don’t know what this will mean, but I’ve seen things I like."

I hope Beck excels. We need a young, promisg guy as a backup and maybe future starting material.

[30gut]

More on Beck:

Originally Posted by Rich Tandler

Is John Beck the next big thing? In a week and a half since being traded to the Redskins, John Beck has come a long way. It would be a stretch to say that he has mastered the Shanahan offense, which is very different from what he worked with in Baltimore and Miami. But he seems to have most of the basics down, and he should see considerable action during the next two preseason games. Given his arm strength and quick delivery, there is a chance that he will look good against the third-string defenders he will be facing. And we all know what happens when an unknown quarterback shines in preseason games. Don't say that you weren't warned about the pending controversy.

[jdlea]

I'm starting to get a little bit excited about later in the game when he gets on the field. I don't necessarily hate the idea of Grossman as the backup, but I was hesitant to let him go unchallenged as the backup. I hope Beck can play well and put some pressure on Rex to perform.

[mooby]

Boy it seems after tonight's game it took everybody about 2 plays to hop off John Beck's bandwagon haha.