Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I dunno, the current scouting department seemed to be pretty good at evaluating talent, but the former dude at the top, Vinny, was ill-disposed to picking OL high. I remember a while back reading about how other teams raided our practice squad players... and offhand I know of three that are on other teams, those being Aromashodu, Dixon, and Mason.

Oh, and Chase, duh...

I think we've got some good scouts, but i seem to remember reading that we have one of the lowestpaid scouting departments in the league. i highly doubt we've got the best of the best in our organization. in addition, as was often the case with vinny and danny making the picks, none of it means a thing unless Shanahan and Allen actually listen to the advice they are getting from their staff. Shanahan and Allen need a third guy whom they both respect working with them. And they need to listen to what this guy suggests 90% of the time.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we've got some good scouts, but i seem to remember reading that we have one of the lowestpaid scouting departments in the league. i highly doubt we've got the best of the best in our organization. in addition, as was often the case with vinny and danny making the picks, none of it means a thing unless Shanahan and Allen actually listen to the advice they are getting from their staff. Shanahan and Allen need a third guy whom they both respect working with them. And they need to listen to what this guy suggests 90% of the time.

funny you said that. when i lived in san diego, my brother his wife and i would go to this real nice hotel (i think it was hilton) in la jolla/UTC area. they had a nice sports bar in there but since it was in a hotel, no one would go so we would have these posh couches/lounge area all to ourselves to watch the skins games.

one day a mid west scout for an nfl team (i forget the team) was there. we all got to talking football, etc. he said the skins have by far the lowest payroll for scouts. this was 5 years or so ago.

[SmootSmack]

A lot of the scouts and front office people, including Scott Campbell and/or Morocco Brown may not (probably won't?) be here after this draft. Their contracts happen to run through April so that's why you haven't seen many changes. But there almost definitely will be front office changes this summer

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

funny you said that. when i lived in san diego, my brother his wife and i would go to this real nice hotel (i think it was hilton) in la jolla/UTC area. they had a nice sports bar in there but since it was in a hotel, no one would go so we would have these posh couches/lounge area all to ourselves to watch the skins games.

one day a mid west scout for an nfl team (i forget the team) was there. we all got to talking football, etc. he said the skins have by far the lowest payroll for scouts. this was 5 years or so ago.

It honestly makes no sense that Snyder would pay through the nose for over-the-hill veteran free agents, sign big name coaches to huge multi-year contracts, yet be so frugal with the scouting department. History has proven that the best teams are the ones that consistently draft really well. There's no salary cap for scouts, why not assemble the best scouting department money can buy?

On a side note, i was listening to espn980 and i doc walker said our training facilities were just horrible, and among the worst he's ever seen. he'd even seen colleges that have better equipment and facilities than we do. Not to hijack the thread but does anyone here (smoot perhaps) know what gives?

[SmootSmack]

The training facilities have supposedly drastically improved. I don't know, I haven't been there in years. But I know a couple of key players from the 80s/early 90s who went on to other teams said they couldn't believe the difference between the Redskins organization from a facilities/management perspective and the teams they went onto. Point being it's been that way for a long, long time.

It didn't look awful when I saw it, but I also haven't been to a whole bunch of teams' headquarters.

But it sounds like it's much better now

[GTripp0012]

Reports are that Colt McCoy just had the best pro day of anyone in the last 24 hours.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Reports are that Colt McCoy just had the best pro day of anyone in the last 24 hours.

I liked it...and that's all that matters

Bradford's was better though. Displayed a stronger arm

[BlindReckoning]

Okung ......Bradford....... Suh only one will be available (at best) There is a big drop off after these three I think. Okung (safe pick and definite need)....Bradford (go for the gusto pick) Suh (best available period pick). The actual draft will simplify things. If none of these three are available you try your best to trade down and get extra picks for tackles and guards which this draft is full of.Clausen I'd only take with the second round pick (yeah yeah wont be there).Tebow if we acquired a third I'd do it. Running backs Shanny can pick up 4th to 5th round. Wide receivers we dont need period.Tight ends...Vinny's gone. Quarterback if you don't get the three mentioned forget about it.

[Dirtbag59]

If we do trade up for him I think part of the emphasis to trade up will be on giving up players instead of future picks. Guys like Rocky McIntosh and Fred Davis would be great for the Rams because they're young cheap players that fill a need.

You could also possibly throw in Montgomery if they like him as they've been rumored to. Jason Campbell is also a distant posibillity. Maybe even Laron though given the fact that they're trying to get rid of a safety I wouldn't count on them accepting one that bites on double moves. At the very least I feel that some of these guys will be on the trade block come draft day to acquire more picks.

Another big factor will be if the Lions decide to select Okung. If the Rams like one of the second round QB's then they'd probably want one of the two big Tackles to fall to them for them to feel comfortable enough to trade down to the 4th spot. Of course right now it seems likely that Suh and McCoy will go 2-3. At the same time maybe they end up liking Clausen.

However right now I'm loving the rumors that Bradford would much rather play for the Redskins. The only problem is how do we fix the O-Line and trade up for Bradford? Hence why I'm really hoping that Clausen can put on a more impressive workout.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If we do trade up for him I think part of the emphasis to trade up will be on giving up players instead of future picks. Guys like Rocky McIntosh and Fred Davis would be great for the Rams because they're young cheap players that fill a need.

You could also possibly throw in Montgomery if they like him as they've been rumored to. Jason Campbell is also a distant posibillity. Maybe even Laron though given the fact that they're trying to get rid of a safety I wouldn't count on them accepting one that bites on double moves. At the very least I feel that some of these guys will be on the trade block come draft day to acquire more picks.

Another big factor will be if the Lions decide to select Okung. If the Rams like one of the second round QB's then they'd probably want one of the two big Tackles to fall to them for them to feel comfortable enough to trade down to the 4th spot. Of course right now it seems likely that Suh and McCoy will go 2-3. At the same time maybe they end up liking Clausen.

However right now I'm loving the rumors that Bradford would much rather play for the Redskins. The only problem is how do we fix the O-Line and trade up for Bradford? Hence why I'm really hoping that Clausen can put on a more impressive workout.

Don't confuse that with "refuses to play for the Rams"

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The training facilities have supposedly drastically improved. I don't know, I haven't been there in years. But I know a couple of key players from the 80s/early 90s who went on to other teams said they couldn't believe the difference between the Redskins organization from a facilities/management perspective and the teams they went onto. Point being it's been that way for a long, long time.

It didn't look awful when I saw it, but I also haven't been to a whole bunch of teams' headquarters.

But it sounds like it's much better now

The eagles of the 80s always said that it was a negative environment & the facilities, especially the vet, were a dump. That's one of the things A. REid did, improve the facilities & of course, they got a new stadium.

I think the Skins of the 00s have the same rap, if indeed the facilities are sub par. I guess it's presumed that the danny would have the nicest stuff, but it's been said on here before how the scouting dept. was budgeted low. Now I'm hearing the club infrastructure (aside from Redskin One).

Maybe Allen is convincing him to re-allocate some of his funds from players & into the facilities & staff instead.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

It honestly makes no sense that Snyder would pay through the nose for over-the-hill veteran free agents, sign big name coaches to huge multi-year contracts, yet be so frugal with the scouting department. History has proven that the best teams are the ones that consistently draft really well. There's no salary cap for scouts, why not assemble the best scouting department money can buy?

On a side note, i was listening to espn980 and i doc walker said our training facilities were just horrible, and among the worst he's ever seen. he'd even seen colleges that have better equipment and facilities than we do. Not to hijack the thread but does anyone here (smoot perhaps) know what gives?

from the pics that I've seen I've def seen better setups for the athletics gyms in colleges

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I liked it...and that's all that matters

Bradford's was better though. Displayed a stronger arm

someone, mcshay maybe, can't recall.. said that mccoy had all of his drops from under center, had more movement, etc.. wasn't nearly as controlled as bradford's

either way sounds like they both had great days

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't confuse that with "refuses to play for the Rams"

That might be better in terms of making him a Redskin.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

someone, mcshay maybe, can't recall.. said that mccoy had all of his drops from under center, had more movement, etc.. wasn't nearly as controlled as bradford's

either way sounds like they both had great days

McCoy's pro day seem to showcase more of his athletic abilities overall, where as Bradford's seemed to be more designed to showcase that his shoulder is fine