Campbell's numbers dont lie

[MTK]

With a yards per attempt of 7.8, I think we need to reconsider this notion that all JC does is throw dump offs. It's just not the case this year. Plus if you've watched the games at all you know what the deal is. If you're paying attention that is.

[Paintrain]

I'm so bored with the 'blame Campbell' rants. As much as I hate the 'what if' game, does anyone think we'd be in any different boat with Cutler or Sanchez? Cutler would probably have 4 TD and 10 INT and if we think Zorn's playcalling is lame now, imagine him with a rookie QB!?! Campbell is our QB for the rest of the season, unless he gets injured. If you don't like it, watch bowling on Sundays until next fall.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

See, I'd be ok with the JC rants if he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Jake Delhomme numbers. But until that happens, people just need to calm down with the "Campbell is the the only problem" rants.

[warriorzpath]

Bottomline is- this team sucks right now, including Campbell. It all starts with the coach and the qb.

The numbers don't tell the entire truth- Campbell is very inconsistent and very unreliable at crucial times.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.

Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.

The problem is Campbell doesn't have confidence in Zorn's playcalling and as a result doesn't execute it well. And also at the same time, Zorn doesn't trust Campbell to make plays, so he calls plays to minimize his perceived risks.

Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.

No kidding. I keep watching that hook and ladder to the 30 yard line to end the game, and I think "WTF?! You have Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly (all at least 6'2" with speed) and you can't just send them deep into the end zone and let Campbell use his arm to try to make a play? Instead you dump it to ARE (or whoever it was) and have him lateral it to Betts? Seriously, Betts is the guy you're putting the game's hands into??"

Meanwhile, Favre is throwing it on a rope to the back of the endzone in Minnesota.

Let Campbell play

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Bottomline is- this team sucks right now, including Campbell. It all starts with the coach and the qb.

The numbers don't tell the entire truth- Campbell is very inconsistent and very unreliable at crucial times.

I don't lay the blame at his feet, but the QB always has to be part of the conversation when an Offense is sputtering. He's average to good. He does some things well - avoids INTs, is accurate when he can drop back and throw, can run effectively when the play breaks down. But is deficient in other areas - inaccurate with deep balls, has trouble with touch passes (seems to throw out of bounds a lot on sideline and fade passes), and is woefully inaccurate when he has to throw on the run or even after moving a couple of steps in any direction, has poor pocket presence, is not elusive, does not take reasonable chances (last in pass interference calls last year).

Bottom line, whatever you think of Campbell, name one other NFL team that would sign him to be their guaranteed, bona fide starter next year if he were to leave the Skins. At best, he would be offered a chance to compete for the starting job on another shitty team. Most teams would sign him to be a backup. Just my opinion.

All that said, he's not the reason the Skins suck, but he's not good enough to compensate for other deficiencies on Offense (poor coaching, average pass blocking, inept running game, etc.).

[warriorzpath]

I was hoping that Campbell would play well this year, but so far he isn't. I said earlier in preseason that there's a fine line with playing a good game versus not (playing a good game). The difference is the plays that are made that either win or lose games. He made a few plays that definitely contributed to losing the games with Detroit and New York.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by bigant

stop it he stinks,who cares what the numbers say,in big spots he is a dear in headlights enough said,.......

You do realize that JC had the same look when he was undefeated and won a national championship at Auburn, right?

Let's face it, you just don't like the way that JC looks, whatever that means.

[MTK]

Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

NFL Stats: by Player Category

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

I disagree. I think that the "Qb's are judged by wins" saying is faux wisdom, since football is a team game which is not determined by one player. Look at Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. He has an 8-11 record as a starter. But most teams in the NFL would love to have him under center.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I was hoping that Campbell would play well this year, but so far he isn't. I said earlier in preseason that there's a fine line with playing a good game versus not (playing a good game). The difference is the plays that are made that either win or lose games. He made a few plays that definitely contributed to losing the games with Detroit and New York.

You're obviously NOT watching the games very closely. He is playing very well...unlike most of the team.